The Walking Dead (DARKEST EPISODE) *spoilers*

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Still crying! Honestly it takes a bit to make me cry. Maybe I just don't watch a lot of sad stuff unless you count an anime from Visual Arts/Key. This being live action, I can say it's the only live action series to make me cry so much. Maybe a couple of movies that I barely remember in High School and I'm 36.

Lizzie killed Mika and my jaw just dropped! My lips... If you could see them you might think they were white. I mean I can feel enough of a tingle in them that that was a sign to me of just how utterly shocked I was!

On Talking Dead..well, just before it came on, during the commercials, they showed one of the guests looking like he was getting done with his set of tears. I wasn't done with my tears till I started typing this. They were coming and going.

I was worried that there would be spoilers here, but as I don't know who either of these characters are, I guess not.

Edit. Just found out it was one of the kids.

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Pretty intense stuff, but I thought Lizzie was a basket case all along and so was just waiting for something like this to happen, so it didn't shock me so much. I did not know it would be Mika, but started to consider it during the episode and that was indeed sad. Mika was not developed as a character much until this episode. In typical TWD fashion they set her up character-wise at the last minute to increase the effect. I didn't know how they would deal with Lizzie, once they found out either and Carol being the executioner was to me the most intense moment. Carol's performance (acting) has been uneven to me, but the section from finding Mika dead to her killing Lizzie was excellent work.

The writers and directors truly plumbed the depths of how bad things could get in this episode. So much so, that you really feel the futility and despair and wonder how a person could go on in such conditions.

The Carol and Tyrese confrontation was anti-climatic in comparison. There was good irony there, but there was something about that story-line that didn't quite feel real to me. Not sure if it was the acting, or writing. Carol did a good job holding onto the secret though.

I thought the episode was already going down a dark path until Carol and Tyrese came back to find Lizzie had knifed Mika.....and subsequently had to kill Lizzie. Storywise, to me, it was a lot better than some of these past episodes. At the same time it was pretty sad but then Lizzie was starting to irritate me.

yeah Lizzie needed to be "put down" she was a danger to others and i doubt she could be helped in any way it had to be done

on a side note i really like the beth and daryl thing

I just watched it.

What does everyone think the moral of this episode was?

Crazy kids don't belong around babies?

This episode frames the character who humanises her enemy as a threat who needs to be taken out for the good of the group. Contrast this with Matheson's, I am legend:

I would say the moral is not to cough or act weird around Carol.

Was I the only one who noticed that this episode was the first time Carol has cried since Sophia happened?

Just some trivia. You know that puzzle they had on the table when Carol and Tyrese were talking? It was a puzzle of a picture of Sophia.

I kind of liked Carol's philosophy being turned on itself and shoved in her face. "You have to have zero hesitation to immediately kill anyone (who might sneeze and threaten your survival)." Ok, Carol, here's what that looks like in kid form. Still a fan, or is the reality of things more complicated than that? I've had the impression until now that the writers have believed in Carol's philosophy and have endlessly harped on it. It's nice to see a contradictory note for some complexity or even just to break the monotony of "the serial killers are right; be like them."

Lizzie was a sick puppy, but they gave her a depth that was more then just badness. She did a lot of things right in the circumstances (Like saving Tyrese's life) and had some sense of right and wrong even if the cruel side of her won out at times. In this episode she is trying to reason with Mica about violence being necessary, but 'just sometimes'. Its like she knew which way she should go, but couldn't stay to it on her own.

I didn't quite understand her strange view on the zombies still being valid human people. In a way it made her more humane then the others, but in a twisted way. She wasn't alone in that belief however, as others had felt the same at other points, such as Herschel. But Lizzie's view was stranger, as demonstrated by her thinking that she might even choose to become one.

All in all, I felt sorry for her in some ways and thought she was not beyond repair, in a normal world at least, especially considering her age. Unfortunately she was too dangerous at this point to live free, and would have to be under guard/observation indefinitely, and there was no guarentee she would get better.