Saw X Men first class yesterday, was great

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02 Jun 2011, 12:26 pm

Thanks, I didn't realize it was out. I will check my local theater.

<goes to check>

My theater says it's "Coming Soon".



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02 Jun 2011, 12:39 pm

Definitely seeing it this weekend. Won't get to it until Sunday probably, but it'll be worth the wait.



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02 Jun 2011, 12:46 pm

since it is supposed to be xavier's and magneto's backstory, I hope they at least make mention of Juggernaut being Xaviers step-brother.


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02 Jun 2011, 12:48 pm

Ive seen the new x men film too and it was fantastic!! !!

I really liked Magneto, and James McAvoy was very hot as prof X.

I thought it was very good how it contrasted the good and bad points of both Magneto and prof X and how they both became who they were.

Im not sure what direction or decisions I would make if I was in their positions, but i think a middle way between them both is probably best.



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02 Jun 2011, 1:40 pm

It seems X-Men is the one thing every Aspy likes...at least every Aspy I know in real life.



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02 Jun 2011, 1:47 pm

I saw it today, was expecting to be dissapointed but was pleasantly suprised. I particularly liked seeing Magneto's back story.


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02 Jun 2011, 7:56 pm

DemonAbyss10 wrote:
since it is supposed to be xavier's and magneto's backstory, I hope they at least make mention of Juggernaut being Xaviers step-brother.

Marvel's standard timeline is Earth-616.

This has significant deviations (completely different initial X-Men; Pixie as Angel; Beast being all blue and furry long before the team's first breakup back before Krakoa; Mystique being a member of the team at all; etc). Having looked up Hollywood's area code, I provisionally label this universe as Earth-323. That being the case, there's no guarantee that Cain Marko will be Charles Xavier's stepbrother, or in fact any guarantee that Cain Marko will ever become the Juggernaut at all.


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03 Jun 2011, 5:18 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:
since it is supposed to be xavier's and magneto's backstory, I hope they at least make mention of Juggernaut being Xaviers step-brother.


I don't think they will. They are trying to make all the movies tie together. In X3 seems to me Magneto did not know who Juggernaut was until they busted Mystique out.



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03 Jun 2011, 11:04 am

There's also the fact that in the comics, the X-Men were never a governmental entity (one of the things that caused them problems after M-Day). The first group of "government mutants" in Marvel were the former members of the Brotherhood of Mutants, pressed into service as Freedom Force back in the late '80s. That worked out about as well as one might expect, given that the team included Mystique, Avalanche, and Pyro...

In the 616 timeline, in fact, by the time Xavier and Lensherr were willing to "come out" as mutants, Erik had already become a mutant separatist (not surprising, given his backstory in Germany and Czechoslavakia). Mags didn't become an X-Man until, IIRC, sometime in the '90s, and that only briefly (Charles had left the planet to be Lilandra's prince consort, and asked Erik to fill in as the New Mutants' teacher); as I mentioned before, Mystique was never an X-Man, although she did stop working against them, at least for a time, after M-Day; Hank McCoy didn't experiment on himself until the late '60s, during the team's first breakup, and in fact during their first published adventure in 1963 he looked human (short, broad, and with incredibly long toes, but still human); Banshee didn't join the team until the Krakoa incident in the early '70s; Pixie (Angel, as they apparently call her in here) wasn't even born until the 1990s... there are almost certainly other discrepancies in the tales that I'll pick up on after I see the movie.

So no, there is no chance that this is going to evolve into the standard Marvel timeline. However, it might turn out to figure into the background for the timeline of the Avengers movies (Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Captain America, the last Hulk movie, Thor, and next year's Avengers movie), which Marvel has officially labeled Earth-199999. :)


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03 Jun 2011, 4:39 pm

You'd need to go back to New Mutants vol 1, probably around #20 or so, back in the '80s sometime (before Liefeld hijacked them under his Cable character). However, you can find Mags being depicted in various ways in a lot of titles - he hasn't been regarded as a just plain villain since sometime in the '60s; it's just that his vision of mutant separatism tends to attract some, shall we say, rather unsavory types. (Kind of like how Malcolm X himself could be a pretty nice guy - but some of his followers were, um, not so much on the nice side.)


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03 Jun 2011, 6:02 pm

I'm seeing X-Men: First Class tommorow.


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03 Jun 2011, 6:56 pm

Just saw it...it was great. Best X-Men movie since X2. I wish Matthew Vaughn had directed X3, as originally planned, and then maybe it wouldn't have sucked.

I could accept all the changes from the comics EXCEPT one-why the hell did they make Moira MacTaggart a CIA Agent instead of a Scottish scientist? I'm baffled by that one. They should've just given Rose Byrne's character a different name.



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04 Jun 2011, 1:51 pm

I saw it today and it was awesome. When the reviews were coming in about saying it was the best X-Men movie I was more than excited. There were a lot of continuity errors in the film. Most were just tiny ones that can easily just be ignored like the fact that Emma Frost was older in this movie than she was in "Wolverine" which supposely takes place after "First Class" and that Moira Mctagget has an American accent in "First Class" when she had a scottish accent in "The Last Stand", but the big one was that in the end Xavier was paralysed when he was still young and had his hair, but in both the opening flashback scene from "The Last Stand" and the end of "Wolverine" we see him on his feet walking and older and Magneto is still his friend. I read about this on the night before I went to see this film and it kinda put my mind off seeing this because I kinda like continuity in movie like the "Marvel Cinematic Universe". But when I think about it it doesn't really matter and this is why:
X-Men The Last Stand(which I thought was a good but not that good movie) and X-Men Origins: Wolverine(which had a few good moments but was still pretty bad) didn't really do that well. My guess is that First Class is only a prequel to the first 2 and totally ignores the upcoming events of the other 2, so when you think about it there are 2 X-Men movie universes and in both these universes the first 2 exist. It's kinda like the Superman movies. You have the first 2 movies followed by the third and fourth and then you have Superman Returns which takes place 5 years after Superman II and totally ignores the events of the third and fourth movies, though some people may say that they come after Returns but I don't think so.
So to sum up X-Men First Class is definately better than The Last Stand and Wolverine and even better than the first one and I think even the second one, though I change my mind alot so in the future First Class may go down on my list, but I'm 100% sure that First Class is the best of the 5.



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04 Jun 2011, 2:05 pm

Just got back from seeing it. AWESOME film. Much needed boost for the X-Men franchise after the last two movies. It'll be interesting to see where things go from here.



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04 Jun 2011, 3:28 pm

Like I said, tb86 - different timeline. Marvel has a lot of those, including (as it turns out) designations for our reality (Earth-0000 or Earth-1218, depending on who you ask), the DC universe (Earth-0), the first trilogy of X-Men films (Earth-10005), the Spider-Man films so far (Earth-96283 - apparently, the reboot due in 2012 will be in a different continuity; one hopes they'll use the same one they're using for the Avengers movies, Earth-199999), and the Fantastic Four movies (Earth-121698). They don't have official numbers yet for Image, Harvey, or Archie comics, but according to Marvel's official data on the matter, those are out there somewhere too...


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04 Jun 2011, 3:46 pm

Earlier I said I was 100% sure that First Class was the best in the saga but now I think X2 is probably still the best and First Class is probably second. Usually when a superhero movie comes out I would make a top 10 list in my head and I put First Class as 5 at first then 6 and now I think either 9 or 10. There are alot of other superhero films I think are still probably better than First Class but some people would probably not agree with some of the choices like the recent Thor. I'm not saying that Thor is better than First Class though I think it probably is and if I do think that, then it is my choice. Hell the Nostalgia Critic likes Tim Burton's Batman better than The Dark Knight.