Empathyless BBC documentary about rumanion Roma in the UK

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16 Dec 2013, 4:00 pm

At this very moment I am watching this documentary about the migration rumanian Roma into the UK. The discrimination of rumanian Roma in Rumenia itself has been totally horendous for hundreds and hundreds of years. The Roma in Rumenia don't have the same options and possibilities as the non roma rumanians. They live in horrible circumstances and they certainly don't have the same chances when it comes to possibilities to obtain work and a proper education. They live in total poverty without having a chance in hell to improve their circumstances. Because of these reasons they come to the UK to make some money. Some roma may be inclined to a couple of petty crimes and the misuse of social benefits but that is not surprising, because they have few other options.

Throughout Europe roma, other gypsie populations and travellers are hunted down and treated like s**t to the present day. When it comes to the discrimination of gypsies and travellers the UK is no better than other european countries. The UK obviously refuses to receice migrants that are not considered to be "employable" and is therefore closing it's doors on people may need help the most.

When I watch the BBC I see a stream of documentaries about England's "glorious" past. The word glorious should be replaced by the words colonialism, opportunism, oppression and theft. The petty crimes of a few rumanian roma are nothing compared to the large scaled theft of countries like the UK and Holland during the times of colonialism.

Shame on you!



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16 Dec 2013, 4:09 pm

Yes. Shame on a very small island nation to tell incomers we are stuffed to bursting point with the people ALREADY here, including our own. Whose existing population is already stretching its limited resources and already deeply cut funding. The government this year slashed millions upon millions of funding to ALL services. Housing is at a crisis point.

And you say shame on this country for having to, of necessity, refuse to let yet more people in?

Think of it like an elevator that has a capacity of only, say, 12 people to ride in it. There's no more room for any more than that, and if you try, everyone's in jeopardy.

You have no place to say "shame on you" if you're unaware that resources here are already in complete crisis just for the people already here, both indigenous and immigrated. It's a dilemma but there has to be a limit placed somewhere along the line. This is not the US where even physically there is room for more. There's no room, literally. There are failing resources here, literally. This country just can't go on supporting everyone who just wants it. I say that not from lack of compassion but just FACTS.

Tiny tax base, already funding that has been cut to the bone, and fewer working people, supposed to support MORE non-working people? It's just mathematics. Be sensible and stop being emotional about this.

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16 Dec 2013, 4:14 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
Yes. Shame on a very small island nation to tell incomers we are stuffed to bursting point with the people ALREADY here, including our own. Whose existing population is already stretching its limited resources and already deeply cut funding. The government this year slashed millions upon millions of funding to ALL services. Housing is at a crisis point.

And you say shame on this country for having to, of necessity, refuse to let yet more people in?

Think of it like an elevator that has a capacity of only, say, 12 people to ride in it. There's no more room for any more than that, and if you try, everyone's in jeopardy.

You have no place to say "shame on you" if you're unaware that resources here are already in complete crisis just for the people already here, both indigenous and immigrated. It's a dilemma but there has to be a limit placed somewhere along the line. This is not the US where even physically there is room for more. There's no room, literally. There are failing resources here, literally. This country just can't go on supporting everyone who just wants it. I say that not from lack of compassion but just FACTS.

Tiny tax base, already funding that has been cut to the bone, and fewer working people, supposed to support MORE non-working people? It's just mathematics. Be sensible and stop being emotional about this.



Be sensible?
Such arrogance. How dare you!



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16 Dec 2013, 9:01 pm

I really like the following song by Cher which I take as strongly in favor of gypsy persons.

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Cher, "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves"


I was born in the wagon of a travellin' show
My mama used to dance for the money they'd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

CHORUS
Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Other people may not take this as pro-gypsy. But to me, the gypsies are doing what they need to survive and it's the towns people who are a bunch of hypocrite (although I didn't know the word, I kind of felt it)

I remember this song when I was in second grade. And it's one of the reasons I tend to be open to people who are labeled as the 'other' or outsider. In fact, this song is one of the reasons I'm an activist.



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17 Dec 2013, 12:32 pm

And as far as effective freedom and open fields for individual people,

just like Jehovah Witnesses create more space for all of us. For example, people should not be pressured or badly labeled if they do not wish to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. If it doesn't resonate with them in a positive way, there's probably plenty of other things which will.

And so if Roma travel around without a fixed address. Okay, if a police officer asks for your identification and you don't have it, that is almost an arrestable offense. And we should probably rethink this. So, yes, thinking about inclusive and decent treatment of Roma has a good chance of creating more open space and effective rights for all of us.



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18 Dec 2013, 4:13 am

My biggest problem is how they treated Roma families who have children who have a different look to what their parents looks like. This happened in Ireland. They took away two children who had blond hair and who supposedly didn't look like their parents. DNA tests followed and the children were returned to their parents with no apologies. Sad Sad Sad.


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