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Sweetleaf
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Sweetleaf
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27 Mar 2019, 6:08 pm
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I mean like that starbuck character, just horrible most of the time...saying mean b*tchy things to the rest of the crew and just being all around intolerable.
(etc.)
I'd like a rerun without that character.
There's a frequent poster on WP whose username seems to be based on that character. I would be curious to find out how she would react to that assessment.(etc.)
I'd like a rerun without that character.
If you guys want to badmouth me, feel free to do so. It seems to be a popular activity around here.
(Because I watched the show through to the end and found out why Starbuck acts the way she does--a horribly abusive mother--I obviously have a different take on the character that is a little more charitable than what is described above. Most of the characters on the show are very flawed and nonspecial in that they often make bad decisions, like real people do. That's actually one of the things I liked about the show. It had no "heroes", per se--just people.)
I kind of got why the character was the way she was...but uhh just rubbed me the wrong way so much on the second time watching the show. But I mean to be fair she is not the worst character in the show, they are all pretty flawed...perhaps a rerun of the show without any of the characters would be best.
30 Mar 2019, 6:02 am
So I finished the "mini-series". It's OK but still not sure why it got so much adulation. IMO it can't hold a candle to The Expanse. Has SF gotten so much better over the last 16 years?
It also got me thinking how much has changed in our culture since that time. In 2003, for example, nobody had HD — now everybody does. Also the Iraq War as I mentioned in my OP. I wonder how most Americans feel when they think back on that as compared to how they might have expected to feel 16 years after the fact.
The weird retro atmosphere takes some getting used to. These people have artificial gravity in all their space vehicles and FTL yet the instruments on their bridge look like something built in the 60s. And guys walking around in neckties, especially under those circumstances. It's just freaky to imagine a world that shares none of our history yet they developed neckties as a fashion statement, but they don't even loosen them after 24 hours of dealing with a crisis.
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays .
30 Mar 2019, 4:01 pm
MaxE wrote:
So I finished the "mini-series". It's OK but still not sure why it got so much adulation. IMO it can't hold a candle to The Expanse. Has SF gotten so much better over the last 16 years?
It also got me thinking how much has changed in our culture since that time. In 2003, for example, nobody had HD — now everybody does. Also the Iraq War as I mentioned in my OP. I wonder how most Americans feel when they think back on that as compared to how they might have expected to feel 16 years after the fact.
The weird retro atmosphere takes some getting used to. These people have artificial gravity in all their space vehicles and FTL yet the instruments on their bridge look like something built in the 60s. And guys walking around in neckties, especially under those circumstances. It's just freaky to imagine a world that shares none of our history yet they developed neckties as a fashion statement, but they don't even loosen them after 24 hours of dealing with a crisis.
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays .
It also got me thinking how much has changed in our culture since that time. In 2003, for example, nobody had HD — now everybody does. Also the Iraq War as I mentioned in my OP. I wonder how most Americans feel when they think back on that as compared to how they might have expected to feel 16 years after the fact.
The weird retro atmosphere takes some getting used to. These people have artificial gravity in all their space vehicles and FTL yet the instruments on their bridge look like something built in the 60s. And guys walking around in neckties, especially under those circumstances. It's just freaky to imagine a world that shares none of our history yet they developed neckties as a fashion statement, but they don't even loosen them after 24 hours of dealing with a crisis.
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays
.Because if she's not typically "feminine" she's obviously supposed to be read as a butch lesbian?
What?
Your take on this show is, um, unique. I'll give you that.
30 Mar 2019, 4:13 pm
MaxE wrote:
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays .
.I disagree, too many critical relationships with male characters. Caprica 6 on the other hand would definitely be bi though.
Also for people saying there are not good people in the show. Lee, Admiral Adama, Laura Roslin, Helo, and Athena weren't "perfect heroes" but were generally good people. Others were more flawed, but few were outright evil except some of the Pegasus crew and Cylon model 1 (I forget his name Cavill? I always called him the Al cylon because the actor was Al in Quantum leap).
30 Mar 2019, 7:22 pm
Antrax wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays .
.I disagree, too many critical relationships with male characters. Caprica 6 on the other hand would definitely be bi though.
Also for people saying there are not good people in the show. Lee, Admiral Adama, Laura Roslin, Helo, and Athena weren't "perfect heroes" but were generally good people. Others were more flawed, but few were outright evil except some of the Pegasus crew and Cylon model 1 (I forget his name Cavill? I always called him the Al cylon because the actor was Al in Quantum leap).
Yeah, Starbuck definitely liked men. A lot. Possibly too much. Just because she acted in a way that was atypically feminine doesn't mean she was "coded as a lesbian". God, I wish that old stereotype would just die, it's so lame.
30 Mar 2019, 9:01 pm
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Antrax wrote:
MaxE wrote:
Also — who here disagrees with me that the Starbuck character would be gay if this were being made today? I can't help thinking the "tomboy" image is intended to imply gay but back then they didn't think that would fly, unlike nowadays .
.I disagree, too many critical relationships with male characters. Caprica 6 on the other hand would definitely be bi though.
Also for people saying there are not good people in the show. Lee, Admiral Adama, Laura Roslin, Helo, and Athena weren't "perfect heroes" but were generally good people. Others were more flawed, but few were outright evil except some of the Pegasus crew and Cylon model 1 (I forget his name Cavill? I always called him the Al cylon because the actor was Al in Quantum leap).
Yeah, Starbuck definitely liked men. A lot. Possibly too much. Just because she acted in a way that was atypically feminine doesn't mean she was "coded as a lesbian". God, I wish that old stereotype would just die, it's so lame.
As for some other things I said in my OP (please remember I have so far only seen the mini-series and one episode of the "regular" series) I understand that some people might not really get what I was saying either because they aren't American or were too young to have experienced the world of 2003 as I did.
After having seen more, I can't help thinking that it was the creators' intention to have the audience identify with the characters and their situation by making them look like the people they know in real life. This is certainly a novel approach to SF.
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