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20 Jun 2025, 1:08 pm
How will it surpass real entertainment?
It might become ubiquitous, but I don't think that means it'll ever produce anything of quality. They don't call it slop for no good reason.
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20 Jun 2025, 6:05 pm
^^^ I've had this debate at work also. what exactly is creativity anyway? it's making connections and AI will eventually surpass the human brain. the model developers are working toward is the hive mind. A central brain feeding of every human action current and from the past, a complex set of algorithms using binary logic and decision trees to process more information > any one human being can hold.
when combined with virtual reality in 4D plus robots indistinguishable from humans tapping into the hive mind, then reliance on human beings to "create" anything becomes redundant. the only question is how quickly it will happen?
Answer: Ask the military, I suspect the AI technology they have created is already far beyond what we can currently imagine.
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20 Jun 2025, 6:15 pm
Let me know when AI creates more than brainrot slop and maybe you'll start to have a point.
Until then, we can judge it by the quality of it's output and it's output isn't art.
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20 Jun 2025, 6:52 pm
Awfully close?
I mean, if you'd consider Melbourne and Yellowknife awfully close, it's fair to describe this as also being awfully close.
Otherwise, not so much.
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20 Jun 2025, 7:36 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Awfully close?
I mean, if you'd consider Melbourne and Yellowknife awfully close, it's fair to describe this as also being awfully close.
Otherwise, not so much.
Certainly within our lifetimes. As I said, the military in all likelihood already have such an AI-supercomputer already, like the way they were using realtime internet in 1969 called ARPAnet.
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20 Jun 2025, 7:48 pm
cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Awfully close?
I mean, if you'd consider Melbourne and Yellowknife awfully close, it's fair to describe this as also being awfully close.
Otherwise, not so much.
Certainly within our lifetimes. As I said, the military in all likelihood already have such an AI-supercomputer already, like the way they were using realtime internet in 1969 called ARPAnet.
It certainly could be, but I wouldn't count on it. Creativity isn't as simple as you've attempted to reduce it to, and if that's the premise AI is working from it shouldn't be surprising it's output is slop rather than art.
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20 Jun 2025, 11:04 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
It certainly could be, but I wouldn't count on it. Creativity isn't as simple as you've attempted to reduce it to, and if that's the premise AI is working from it shouldn't be surprising it's output is slop rather than art.
I think the current LLMs are the equivalent of a 5 year old child. You are missing that AI means its learning. the acceleration of learning is the only question.
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21 Jun 2025, 12:56 am
cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It certainly could be, but I wouldn't count on it. Creativity isn't as simple as you've attempted to reduce it to, and if that's the premise AI is working from it shouldn't be surprising it's output is slop rather than art.
I think the current LLMs are the equivalent of a 5 year old child. You are missing that AI means its learning. the acceleration of learning is the only question.
It's going to hit a hard wall pretty soon. It's already trained through just about everything that humans have done over the last few thousand years and while we are still generating a lot, most of what we're generating to train on is a slowly evolving mess. There's also the issue that you have to have somebody actually verifying everything. We're probably just about to the point of peak AI for propaganda and probably from there we won't see much improvement. Especially not versus humans that can intentionally innovate on things by understanding why they worked, or didn't.
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21 Jun 2025, 1:19 am
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Especially not versus humans that can intentionally innovate on things by understanding why they worked, or didn't.
I suppose geospatially efficient work tasks in 3D can only happen when AI is integrated into robots. Although the integration of AI chips into human brains might happen before we get fully operational human like robots. AI chip humans might be first gen cyborgs...
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21 Jun 2025, 1:31 am
cyberdora wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Especially not versus humans that can intentionally innovate on things by understanding why they worked, or didn't.
I suppose geospatially efficient work tasks in 3D can only happen when AI is integrated into robots. Although the integration of AI chips into human brains might happen before we get fully operational human like robots. AI chip humans might be first gen cyborgs...
If it happens, which is probably possible, it won't be done using this particular technology. It's just too expensive, and unpredictable.
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Yesterday, 8:17 am
One point he makes is how YouTube (I don't think he says YouTube, but I've seen it there) videos will have A.I. fabricated videos and people believe the story is real. I have seen this for several (more than twenty) channels. It will even say in the extended description that it is fiction for entertainment, and it is computer processes/enhanced. This is what I've observed. At times, hundreds and even thousands of comments will treat it like it is a true story. Even when it is pointed out that the story is A.I. fabricated, the narration is text to voice generated, the images culled from the internet or A.I. generated are poorly edited together (like mistaking a picture of Bing Crosby with Bill Cosby), the next twenty comments will not notice. So either the comments are partially manufactured as well, or people (neurotypical and neurodivergent alike) are sloppy. I know I can be. Six months ago, I noticed the pattern in some stories, across multiple channels, that had a similar story structure. It did not dawn on me at first that they were A.I. generated. The point I make when I run across one of these videos is it does not matter if one is considered politically Left or Right, these video are truly Fake News. When people treat a story that is fabricated for entertainment purposes as if it really happened, it is dangerous and fake news. Then people start to question what is fake and what is not.
There are even A.I. channels enriching our lives with Buddhist ideology. There is NOTHING wrong with Buddhist ideology, but when it is being created by hardware and software, it can be weirdly ironic and sometimes flat out wrong, but because people believe it is truly Buddhist philosophy from past videos they watched, they will be more inclined to believe other videos that may not illustrate the Buddhist mind set. The creators of the channels do not care. "Like, Subscribe, and Comment" ... $$$$
Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant. I only picked out one point from John Oliver's show.