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Don't be hard on yourself, MONKEY. There is so much evidence of so many different types that clearly show evolution happens that you could talk for hours and only be able to mention a small fraction of it.

What gets me the most about this "controversy" is that it IS so incredibly one-sided, yet so many millions of people have been LIED to about it. Most people who argue against it really have no clue about how science works or how much evidence exists. IF evolution were the way creationists describe it, I wouldn't accept it either. They are arguing against a straw man.

Evolution is just as much a fact of nature as gravity is, or electricity. There's at least as much evidence we share common ancestry with monkeys as there is for the earth going around the sun instead of vice versa as Christians used to insist based on their interpretation of the Bible.

Sometimes I am hopeful when I see videos such as yours that the word will spread and people will check these things out for themselves. Most religions worldwide, even most Christian denominations, either accept the fact of evolution or say it doesn't matter to their faith. Those few denominations that insist on Biblical literalism are so vocal though that the common perception is they speak for all Christianity. Lying for Jesus is still lying. They bring no honor to Christ by doing so, and those denominations will either have to eventually admit they were wrong about evolution or fade into obscurity as just another failed crackpot fringe cult like the flat earthers.

I also think a lot of people are scared of upsetting that group, I know in the southern parts of the US they're still arguing over what to teach in science lessons because they know certain parents are going to go apeshit if evolution is taught (see what I did there heh heh). The school boards shouldn't need to p**** foot round the creationists, because evolutionary theory isn't a new thing anymore, it's been widely known and studied for about 150 years or more. I used to go to a church school but they still had no problems teaching us evolution, we watched a documentary on it once and David Attenborough was openly criticising the bible story and referring to it as a myth.
The biggest issue seems to be in America more than Britain though (we do have Darwin on our £10 notes after all), it's supposed to be the most powerful country around yet it still holds on to medieval ideas. I think people should just leave their ancient comfort zone and get with the times. These are widely accepted scientific facts we are talking about here.

I went to a church-sponsored homeschool cooperative. They aren't teaching evolution now, and they go after the history books too. (In texas, they are removing Thomas Jefferson. Mutiny!). I agree, Evolution is an extremely valid theory despite your opinions on the divine. However, when you start to go back before Evolution, things start to get more and more shady. What the creationists don't get: There are gaps in the fossil record for a reason. Darwin predicted these gaps. In fact, by Darwin's own admission, we are doing better than expected as far as the fossil record goes. We can't expect a complete picture from it like the creationists expect us too. It's just not rational scientific thought.

Beyond evolution, my experience is that the scientific evidence and the track record is fairly shady.

We share something like 90% genetic code with rats, too

Neato!! I cannot ride bike with no hands..period...I can play guitar but not so great due to the all consuming lure of the ukulele...I do ukulele and hula hoop at the same time...but that does not feel like multi-tasking in general.

S'funny..the way I am wired..I WANT to multitask..like my brain is very much wired to WANT to do several things at once..to the point where it drives me insane that I can't...but I am of the PDD-NOS/ADD variety

And yet people were always so puzzled by my old IM handle...monkeyfacedratgirl......

The Silver Fox Experiment is in my mind the best experiment that 'provides' proof evolution, I'll post a link at the bottom. Then again, Evolution will never be proven to the point where extreme changes occur.

Me, without picture, talking about Backyard Baseball:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiLt6ZymmCM[/youtube]

I have stopped using Pablo because he breaks the "meta-game".

The silver fox experiment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRQbSdMXBk0

I don't know exactly what you mean by "extreme changes," but it has long been established way beyond any reasonable doubt that we can trace human ancestry back to fish and further back than that to even simpler forms. While nothing in science can ever be "proven" absolutely (which makes some people uncomfortable), there is at least as much proof of that as there is that the earth travels around the sun instead of vice versa as Christians used to insist based on their faulty interpretation of the Bible. That same style of faulty interpretation is what makes a small but very vocal minority of Christians today insist that evolution doesn't happen. They are wrong about that. Like it or not, humans are related to monkeys. Get over it. If that is not true, it makes God a liar for planting so MUCH false evidence that clearly shows it DOES happen.

Accepting the fact of evolution does not require that one reject God, any more than accepting the fact of gravity would. Evolution is "just a theory" no more or no less than gravity is "just a theory." If anyone has told you differently, they are either misinformed or lying to you. IF you are a sincere seeker of truth and want the facts about this subject, Google is your friend. I recommend the Talk Origins archive web site. It has lists of frequently asked questions about this subject. It also has a list of hundreds of creationist claims that have long been thoroughly debunked with links to creationist and scientific sources so you can see for yourself how much the creationists are LYING about this.

Evolution song by The Bicycling Guitarist
Note that on the lyrics page for this song I say "all of science shows it" while if you listen to the optional mp3 recordings you will hear "all of science proves it." Nineteen years after I wrote the song I changed that one word just a few months ago to be more accurate, because as you pointed out nothing in science can be "proven" in the sense that an argument in maths can be proven.

This is supposed to be a thread about videos though, not science or religion. I'm happy to continue if you want to debate me on this subject, but we should probably move to the science or religion sections of these forums. I could have sent this information to you in a pm, but when I read "Evolution will never be proven to the point where extreme changes occur," I could not in good conscience leave it unanswered here.

Now I want to play Backyard Baseball too.

I love your song and the sound of your voice. You're so cute too in pig tails.

MathGirl drove me crazy with her video, I want to know what she was saying.

WOW BicyclingGuitarist that's so cool.

What I meant was we are not going to give the creationists what they want: to see fish turn into human with their own eyes. Sorry, I leave out context alot, It is a proven theory. I agree completely with you. The Silver Fox experiment was proof of the next best thing to this as there is no difference between 'micro-evolution' and 'macro-evolution'. In fact the term is entirely made up by creationists.

I'm quoting Hovind here, where alot of creationists draw inspiration from.

Sometimes my context is fail...

Actually, evolution has been studied and observed in a controlled environment with fruit flies. Creationists shoved this aside because fruit flies were not 'complicated enough organisms to experience evolution'. What I mean here is that creationists usually just find a new excuse.

So they would find a new loophole if humans 'evolved' into fish like dolphins tomorrow. Can we prove it with our own eyes? no. Same with gravity.

Christians used to argue that gravity didn't exist because of the bible either. It's just the 15th century all over again... XD

Thank you, and thanks to everyone else who has encouraged me in what I do. Please spread the word of The Bicycling Guitarist to assist me in my plan to take over the known universe. Thank you.




I also sometimes leave context out. I'm glad I misunderstood though, because it gave me an opportunity to spread some more public awareness of the tremendous deception being perpetuated by Creationists in the name of Christ. Worldwide, there are more Muslim creationists than Christian. Worldwide, most Christians accept evolution (or at least that is the official position of their churches). But here in the USA so many people have been lied to about this subject that a sizeable percentage of the adult population either deny the fact evolution happens or aren't sure about it. The minority of Biblical literalists are so vocal that the public perception is that they speak for all of Christianity. What a shame for them, for Christ, and for America.

Agree with you about this, it seriously tampers with scientists. YEC is growing and probably even more dangerous/ridiculous. This experiment is usually the best way to keep them quiet though.. even if it doesn't prove evolution in particular.

I'm fairly certain most creationists are in denial.

No doubt about that. One problem is that according to what they believe, evolution is the cause of all of society's problems and Hitler too. No amount of evidence will ever be sufficient to change some people's minds because they think evolution is from Satan and is against God. All I can say to that is why oh why does God make it LOOK so much like it happened if it didn't, especially if our eternal souls are at stake?

IF those who argued against evolution were to admit the evidence does indicate it happens but they choose not to believe it for spiritual or philosophical reasons, then I could respect that. But when they try to tell me the evidence isn't there, or that there is just as much evidence to support their opinion (when in fact there is NONE), well, I know better. Most of those who hold these opinions do so because they were lied to about it. They aren't arguing against evolution but against a ridiculous strawman caricature.