The Dino-Aspie Ex-Café (for Those 40+... or feeling creaky)

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Good LORD!! !!

They call us paranoid and such, then turn around and say we will cause adult aspies to be forgotten???

Aren't they the ones dismissing us out of hand?

And since when have we ever encouraged violence, as opposed to discussion?

I think they're more dangerous than we are.

Semelina...I am glad my post resulted in thought...I am an "agnostic" when it comes to my own thoughts,beliefs,feelings...I don't know if they are right or wrong for sure but hope voicing them will motivate further thought and debate.

I like the idea of WP providing it's own representation of positive perspective and life experiences of autism. I wish my life was a bit more positive. I think my experience, more accurately, reflects what can go wrong if teens and adults are offered no assistence. I still managed to graduate college and maintain my independence in working but the pain indured and the potential that I feel was lost with out assistance....is not something that should be glossed over. I think the same is true of many members of this cafe? I don't know how this should be incorporated into the message but I do think it important. Every body loves positive out comes(ALMOST as much as they love to hear about school shootings and Brintney Spears showing her underwear),but many appear to like their information packaged in bite size morsels that are easy to digest.

I trust the motives and ability of Alex as well as yourself. Keep the message as simple as possible with out distorting the reality of the diversity of the spectrum...(no easy task.) I hope for the day when AS is taken out of the DSM and put into the "neurological differences" catagory with out judgement of diseased/defective. The understanding of strengths that are sacrificed when all humans are judged on an environment and culture that plays on their weekness instead of their strengths would go along way into creating more positive changes for autistics then hours wasted on ABA and social stories....now, can figure out how to get that message acroos in 30 seconds or less?.....gulp.

Why did I go to that places forum? Someone kick me now. First thread I tried to read...warning, we have been infiltrated by aspies for freedom and WP and it goes on and on and on, but there was that word, calling WP an advocacy group, advocacy. Well, duh, yeah I have an opinion, but I have one about everything and if I don't, give me a second. I see the starter of that thread got banned too, but i doubt for that thread. It's pretty clear some from here are there and some are very open about it, that's pretty cool, I think. Generalizations, man the place is ripe with them. Ok time to go on hiatus, this s**t has got me all worked up, not good for me.

Sorry Postie.... I have avoided the place fo the same reason but was lured bythat that old saying..."know thy enemy" and the lesser know "Don't call someone an enemy until you understand what they are attacking"....


(those old "sayers" were a bunch of trouble makers,me thinks)

Anywho...I still got a kick out of watching the "warning WP infiltraters" thread turning into a paranoid discussion of aspie sharp shooters.
Nothing goes further then letting ediots shot themselves in the foot(or each other in the fce?). Any rational person reading the site will be able to see that they are the paranoid ones. Any any one who isn't rational....?

Well as one of the autie posters there pointed out...

"You can't reason someone out of something that they didn't use reason to get into"..I thought that summed it up nicely.


Doesn't it help relieve your anoyance with them a bit to see first hand how "not very bright" some of them are? (If I could just stop thinking that some of them are "in charge" of making decissions for autistics in their own lives. )

Time to go find the X video of..."I will not think bad thoughts"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aX9ONnh4Vw[/youtube]

I dont do much utubing but ...this is my favorite(local) band singing the title song for my favorite album......






[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhsP6OtcIc&feature=related[/youtube]

I should have said this earlier, but I got distracted into watching Doctor Who (The Daleks - the original William Hartnell stuff, where the word "exterminate" was first used.) Later, there was 3 hours of Battlestar Galactica.

your right that there may be a differene between the AS members and those who participate in the forums...that is it's only slanted demographic,I think. I see many people on the forum who are autistic and reasonable and I don't know if being a forum member also means you are a memeber of AS or vice versa? It did seem like some of the members who were listed as "senior" on the forum were disseminating some of the most hurtful lies about WP and aspergers....being "senior" on a forum doesn't mean the have any power in establishing policy of AS.

I was actually shocked to see how few members there were....WP is bigger? Was I readig the numbers wrong? Were those just forum members nd not AS members???Bit confused.

I've just gotten back from reading the eight-page thread on Autism Speaks that Krex linked earlier. Yes, there is a nasty adversarial tone to much of what was said there, but there are also a few dispassionate voices:

Interesting stats Lau, thanks. It is just so hard to believe that they have the kind of power that they do with so few members. Then again, I think I read that the guy who started the AS, (with his wife), was the CEO or something powerful like that of a major US network...NBC/CBS? Well, the details are in their "about us section". I guess money and power attracts money and power.....(don't want to get all anarcist or paranoid about it).


They have also recently joined with CAN...so I don't think their agenda for a cure is going to change any time soon. There was one part of the thread...when they were going on and on about the paranoid kids on WP....when several members said...."They should stop wasting their time harassing us and do some of their own advocating if they don't like they way we are doing it"..(Sorry,I didnt write it down and that is not a direct quote)but what amazed me about it as they seem to have no concept that many people with aspergers maybe spending every "resource" of energy they have just trying to keep from drowning...and then there is that whole verbal communication and social phobia thing....and in spite of that....There are many who ARE advocating in spite of those difficulties....but just to be ignored by popular media in favor of Autism Speaks.......I just think this group of individuals have no idea what is like to try and function as an aspie in an NT society....and worse,they don't want to know because their kids are going to be "cured"...even if it kills them.