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09 Oct 2007, 8:28 pm

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CC, I wish you were my neighbour! :)


But I am your neighbor, Lauri. And I'm only a click away. How's your freak flag flyin'?


CC, You have no idea how much that means to me, especially today!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! :) My freak flag is flying at half mast. :(


Oh, no. :( What happened?



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09 Oct 2007, 8:35 pm

Nothing in particular. I'm tired. I'm tired of being the support for all my RL friends, even though they NEVER ask me how I am. Not once. Not when my kids were diagnosed or now. I'm dealing with inconsiderate people in both of my jobs who "tell" me what I am going to do when really I am the one who is supposed to be making the rules. And I really, really don't like to be alone. I have too much to give someone to be alone. I suppose I will get used to it, but right at the moment I don't think so. As Krex said, This too shall pass. :roll: :)

And on that not so happy note, I'm going to go sulk in a bubble bath with a good book. And earpugs!! I'll be fine.... I promise! :wink:


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09 Oct 2007, 8:42 pm

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...Thats ADD/ADHD/WHATEVERITSCALLED?!?!?!?! You're kidding, right?

Oh my. 8O 8O 8O

I thought everybody did that.

Really.


ADD. This is the type most often seen in women, but the type that I also have. It is often overlooked, because you aren't hyperactively running around drawing attention to yourself and bothering people. You are in the back of the school room quietly lost in the thoughts in your head, and nobody knows that you are doing it. Unless they call on you and you do not respond. Or the teacher walks around the room during math class, and you have the history book from 2 hours ago still on your desk.

A typical ADD scene: Nan is staring blankly, lost in thought. Chuck walks up to her and starts talking to her, sees the blank stare, waves his hand in front of her eyes. Nan "comes to" offers a smile as a recovery mechanism, hopes that smooths things over, hopes she has not just been asked something she hasn't heard, tries to read Chuck's face for clues. Chuck asks, "Well?" Nan realizes that Chuck has asked something. Just exactly what, she has no clue. She apologizes and asks him to repeat the question, embarrassed because this happens all the time. Chuck goes back into his overlong blatherings, and soon it is just blah, blah blah.... and Nan is off inside the thoughts in her head again. :lol: So they say you are "spacey/loopy". Actually, the thing is, you are attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment and lock on to that. Quite often it is the thoughts inside your own head. And you lock on so tightly you may not hear sirens or anything.

Because your brain with ADD is "attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment", you head into the kitchen meaning to get yourself a bowl of ice cream, but pass a window where you see a fire raging a block away. You watch the fire, and decide you had better go get your car keys in case you have to leave, you head back upstairs, searching for your car keys, whereupon you find the book you have been meaning to read. You start reading the book, which has a picture of ice cream in it. You remember you wanted some, and wonder what happened to prevent you from getting it. So, you head to the kitchen for some ice cream... :roll: :lol:


And that is why my house looks the way it does! Too many interesting, happy, shiny things at any given moment! :)


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09 Oct 2007, 8:48 pm

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"Why in hell would you take the 20 minutes to make a knife when you could just as easily whack off a flake and get the job done in less then 10 seconds. My esteem of those that were here before us is very high."

That is probably what primal man used for surgeries, flint flakes when a larger blade would be too clumsy.
I often wondered what the ancient Israelites used for circumcisions back in the bronze age.


Oh, now THAT is a barbaric custom!! !! [Don't quote me medical lit. I've heard it. It's STILL a yucky custom. I mean, owwwwwww! 8O ]



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09 Oct 2007, 9:00 pm

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...Thats ADD/ADHD/WHATEVERITSCALLED?!?!?!?! You're kidding, right?

Oh my. 8O 8O 8O

I thought everybody did that.

Really.


ADD. This is the type most often seen in women, but the type that I also have. It is often overlooked, because you aren't hyperactively running around drawing attention to yourself and bothering people. You are in the back of the school room quietly lost in the thoughts in your head, and nobody knows that you are doing it. Unless they call on you and you do not respond. Or the teacher walks around the room during math class, and you have the history book from 2 hours ago still on your desk.

A typical ADD scene: Nan is staring blankly, lost in thought. Chuck walks up to her and starts talking to her, sees the blank stare, waves his hand in front of her eyes. Nan "comes to" offers a smile as a recovery mechanism, hopes that smooths things over, hopes she has not just been asked something she hasn't heard, tries to read Chuck's face for clues. Chuck asks, "Well?" Nan realizes that Chuck has asked something. Just exactly what, she has no clue. She apologizes and asks him to repeat the question, embarrassed because this happens all the time. Chuck goes back into his overlong blatherings, and soon it is just blah, blah blah.... and Nan is off inside the thoughts in her head again. :lol: So they say you are "spacey/loopy". Actually, the thing is, you are attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment and lock on to that. Quite often it is the thoughts inside your own head. And you lock on so tightly you may not hear sirens or anything.


Or Sister Mary Elephant asking why I'm reading my Geography book when it's been Math for the last half hour, and was English prior to Math, and I hadn't noticed? Or people having to tell me it's time to go home from work because I'd not noticed because I was doing something. (Flip side, why am I still there? Gets me lots of brownie points for being a hard worker, but it's certainly not intentional.) Or like when it suddenly seems to be dark outside, when it wasn't just a while ago? Or the kid having to literally wave at me or whack my arm to get my attention back if I spot something at a distance when she's talking to me or do the "mom. Mom? MOOOOMMMMM!! !! !" thing? Or like if the TV is on, I can't talk to the Kid because the TV is on. We have to turn the sound off and I have to not be looking at it to have a conversation with her. Or how I'm somewhere else when people are babbling on and on and on (oh, they do babble on!)? And being in the world in my head because it's way more pleasant than the IRL one? {Hell, no, that one's just a survival mechanism!! !} Hey, this isn't really funny. Please tell me you're kidding? This is ranging way into the "oh, NO WAY" realm here. That's ADD???? Nuh huh.

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Because your brain with ADD is "attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment", you head into the kitchen meaning to get yourself a bowl of ice cream, but pass a window where you see a fire raging a block away. You watch the fire, and decide you had better go get your car keys in case you have to leave, you head back upstairs, searching for your car keys, whereupon you find the book you have been meaning to read. You start reading the book, which has a picture of ice cream in it. You remember you wanted some, and wonder what happened to prevent you from getting it. So, you head to the kitchen for some ice cream... :roll: :lol:


Um, no, the fire would stop that loop really quickly. ; )
Fire=bad.

You're talking about what the kid and I call "the shineys" aren't you all? She does it, too. You should see us in a crafts store - I'm sure we're quite amusing to watch.

Naaww, maybe just a funky personality trait? That appears to be genetic. Like being Aspie. Then again, even if it were, there's nothing I need do, really. I mean, it just got me a raise at work? That would be good, right? So that makes it not a problem? :lol: Besides, I can usually control it myself. If it were ADD/Whatever, I wouldn't be able to, right?



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09 Oct 2007, 9:14 pm

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CC, I wish you were my neighbour! :)


But I am your neighbor, Lauri. And I'm only a click away. How's your freak flag flyin'?


CC, You have no idea how much that means to me, especially today!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! :) My freak flag is flying at half mast. :(


Whazzamatta, Mom??... oh, later post.

You know, Mom, you're not alone. There's just nobody physically there with you at present. WE'RE there, ya know. And considering you're taking a bubble bath, I dunno if you really want Postie in the room or not.... :wink:



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09 Oct 2007, 9:16 pm

Chuck wrote:
Nan wrote:
...Thats ADD/ADHD/WHATEVERITSCALLED?!?!?!?! You're kidding, right?

Oh my. 8O 8O 8O

I thought everybody did that.

Really.


ADD. This is the type most often seen in women, but the type that I also have. It is often overlooked, because you aren't hyperactively running around drawing attention to yourself and bothering people. You are in the back of the school room quietly lost in the thoughts in your head, and nobody knows that you are doing it. Unless they call on you and you do not respond. Or the teacher walks around the room during math class, and you have the history book from 2 hours ago still on your desk.

A typical ADD scene: Nan is staring blankly, lost in thought. Chuck walks up to her and starts talking to her, sees the blank stare, waves his hand in front of her eyes. Nan "comes to" offers a smile as a recovery mechanism, hopes that smooths things over, hopes she has not just been asked something she hasn't heard, tries to read Chuck's face for clues. Chuck asks, "Well?" Nan realizes that Chuck has asked something. Just exactly what, she has no clue. She apologizes and asks him to repeat the question, embarrassed because this happens all the time. Chuck goes back into his overlong blatherings, and soon it is just blah, blah blah.... and Nan is off inside the thoughts in her head again. :lol: So they say you are "spacey/loopy". Actually, the thing is, you are attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment and lock on to that. Quite often it is the thoughts inside your own head. And you lock on so tightly you may not hear sirens or anything.

Because your brain with ADD is "attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment", you head into the kitchen meaning to get yourself a bowl of ice cream, but pass a window where you see a fire raging a block away. You watch the fire, and decide you had better go get your car keys in case you have to leave, you head back upstairs, searching for your car keys, whereupon you find the book you have been meaning to read. You start reading the book, which has a picture of ice cream in it. You remember you wanted some, and wonder what happened to prevent you from getting it. So, you head to the kitchen for some ice cream... :roll: :lol:


Uh oh.
Dammit...
Me too, then.



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09 Oct 2007, 9:19 pm

Lupine wrote:
Chuck wrote:
Nan wrote:
...Thats ADD/ADHD/WHATEVERITSCALLED?!?!?!?! You're kidding, right?

Oh my. 8O 8O 8O

I thought everybody did that.

Really.


ADD. This is the type most often seen in women, but the type that I also have. It is often overlooked, because you aren't hyperactively running around drawing attention to yourself and bothering people. You are in the back of the school room quietly lost in the thoughts in your head, and nobody knows that you are doing it. Unless they call on you and you do not respond. Or the teacher walks around the room during math class, and you have the history book from 2 hours ago still on your desk.

A typical ADD scene: Nan is staring blankly, lost in thought. Chuck walks up to her and starts talking to her, sees the blank stare, waves his hand in front of her eyes. Nan "comes to" offers a smile as a recovery mechanism, hopes that smooths things over, hopes she has not just been asked something she hasn't heard, tries to read Chuck's face for clues. Chuck asks, "Well?" Nan realizes that Chuck has asked something. Just exactly what, she has no clue. She apologizes and asks him to repeat the question, embarrassed because this happens all the time. Chuck goes back into his overlong blatherings, and soon it is just blah, blah blah.... and Nan is off inside the thoughts in her head again. :lol: So they say you are "spacey/loopy". Actually, the thing is, you are attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment and lock on to that. Quite often it is the thoughts inside your own head. And you lock on so tightly you may not hear sirens or anything.

Because your brain with ADD is "attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment", you head into the kitchen meaning to get yourself a bowl of ice cream, but pass a window where you see a fire raging a block away. You watch the fire, and decide you had better go get your car keys in case you have to leave, you head back upstairs, searching for your car keys, whereupon you find the book you have been meaning to read. You start reading the book, which has a picture of ice cream in it. You remember you wanted some, and wonder what happened to prevent you from getting it. So, you head to the kitchen for some ice cream... :roll: :lol:


Uh oh.
Dammit...
Me too, then.


Hey, but if it was, wouldn't it happen all the time? Like, you couldn't make a conscious effort to shut it off? (Except the TV thing. That I can't do.) If you could control it, then it can't be a hardwired thing, right?



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09 Oct 2007, 9:21 pm

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Nothing disturbs a group of stinkbugs more than discovering Coco Chanel in their midst.



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09 Oct 2007, 11:10 pm

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Nannarob,I'm glad you had a good time....I'm sure your positive energy draws interesting people to you(and your open mindedness allows you to communicate with them).This is one of my biggest regrets in being "shy"...I am really fascintaed by people but hiding under the table,I never seem to get to know as many as I would like.

I was given adderal after I was first DXed AS...I thought it a bt odd,as the psych never said I was ADD/ADHD but recommended that I go see this women who was supposed to be the expert on AS and it's what she prescribed.I took 5 millagrams and another 5 after 6 hours.....I dont think I blinked for 12 hours,or een moved other then hitting the computer "click buttons".....it was a bit "to much" focus for me,so I stopped taking them.I didn;t feel "stimulated",I felt paralyzed and did not like it.I can see how it could "cure stims",as I could barely move but I hated the feeling.Anyone know why my body wld react this way?


Still looking for a name.........

The Face of Aspergers
Aspergers Speaks
A Long Way From Home
Phone Home
Not Typical
The Floors of Perception
NoStarsAponThars


How about:

A Step Apart
Next to the Crowd ('cause we certainly don't want to be IN the crowd ;) )
Through the Storm
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09 Oct 2007, 11:27 pm

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Because your brain with ADD is "attracted to the most interesting thing at any given moment", you head into the kitchen meaning to get yourself a bowl of ice cream, but pass a window where you see a fire raging a block away. You watch the fire, and decide you had better go get your car keys in case you have to leave, you head back upstairs, searching for your car keys, whereupon you find the book you have been meaning to read. You start reading the book, which has a picture of ice cream in it. You remember you wanted some, and wonder what happened to prevent you from getting it. So, you head to the kitchen for some ice cream... :roll: :lol:


I'm so glad I don't work in a hospital or some other place with a hallway or many rooms. I am so tired I walking down the hallway in the house that has 3 doors, walking in one and I having no idea why I am there. I either realize I turned one door too soon, too late or I have no idea what I was going to do so I wander around for a bit then hope if I go back to doing something else I will remember. It almost like what I would imagine being possessed would feel like. All of the sudden I come to my senses and I'm someplace in the house that I don't remember taking myself too. 8O I know my co-worker thinks its funny because when I am on my game I am filling prescriptions like machine on fast forward, pulling bottles included. Then all of the sudden I'll walk to one of the bins and she'll hear me mumble to myself, "Now I know I was looking for/doing something..."

In regards to the posts about looking at the floor I can't say that I do that enough. I "look" at the floor or just about a foot above it by I am really seeing my thoughts. A lot of the time I feel like my body is just this lumbering thing that carries my brain/consciousness because I am always bumping into and tripping over everything. Its one thing to hit your arm or shoulder on the doorway at home but another all together to hit it on the rack of bottles in the pharmacy. :oops:

At least my OCD traits help me make sure everyone gets the correct medicine. :D



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10 Oct 2007, 12:14 am

I've had a sneaking suspicion about ADD for a long time, but was reluctant to have still another label to join the arsenal,LOL. But reading your description, Chuck, leaves me with no further doubt. That's me all over. It's gotten worse since my medical retirement. Working was so stressful, because I had to fight so hard to stay focused. Since I worked in a busy Rehab, and later in Sales, no one really noticed my multiple creative ploys to look like I knew what I was doing.

Krex, I can relate to what you are going through. It's the curse of being an Aspie in an NT workplace. We are the only ones working, and every one else is playing some weird crazy game, involving one-up-manship, ass kissing, tale telling, and marathon coffee breaks. Like Cosmiccat said, I am so glad not to have to work. (But I miss having that weekly paycheck.) What I don't miss is the overwhelming stress that these types of people generate, just by walking into a room! I remember them gathering in corners, whispering, documenting, and then having it all thrown into their faces by my Supervisor, whom I suspect had ADD as well, and recognized a kindred spirit.

Nan, a few pages back, you were wondering about the Native American population in New Jersey. I seem to remember learning about the Lenni Lenape tribe, back in third grade, as being common in the New Jersey area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenape


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10 Oct 2007, 1:06 am

Yeah Hartz, the Lenape are still around. Although highly infected with wannabe's. May have some distant root's to the Susquehannocks (the main Pennsylvania culture at the same time), but for the known contact period, they were mortal enemies and they got wiped pretty badly. Then the white influx was an ender of sorts. Their culture isn't very well known except in Jersey. The Pennsylvania side is harder, so much strip mining occurred.

Ok Nan, didn't find all my books but did find a generalized thing on that type. All it really said was the full groove was considered to be the earliest (I wasn't aware of that) and his references to this fact were very good, Smithsonian good. I don't really feel up to pawing through my Smithsonian references, even though I can sit here and see them. The full grooved axe is considered to be the oldest. Now, the Archaic time frame is different for all areas of the 48 states and Alaska. Some cultures never got out of the Archaic time frame, there was no need. The archaic is considered more nomadic, gather hunter type. South Central and Southern Florida is one, many plains cultures the same. Farming is considered to be a decider in what came into an after of the archaic. With a terminal or transition stage between it and the Woodland time frame and there didn't need to be any woods to be called woodland. Although I have a little theory on that bit of a decider that wouldn't sit to well. I think farming of a type was long before the corn crap. Can I prove it, not with out one hell of a lot of different sciences coming into play and some bog archaeology which just plain is not done here. And even in the rare occurrence I doubt if they are doing pollen counts. Ok back on topic, to say that for that area of your axe would fall into the 8000BC to 1000BC range is about right. I would tend to drop the 1000 mark back a little, just because the grooved axe had already passed their age of usefulness in that area, I would drop it back to about 3500BC But, the archaic is also divided in to three stages, yours would then go to the earliest. So a beginning age would be about 8000BC and go to roughly to 5000BC. There are some big if's in that. If, lol, I could see a point type I could narrow it down to within say, 500 years either way on a given date, it might be possible. The point types for the early archaic are hard to find in my case, it's almost none existent here, very rare, so I have only handled a few and then it was mostly on a West Virgina site. The rest I had just memorized from books. However there aren't that many different styles to them and even a rough sketch from memory might do it. I still would tend to go with the bifurcated type of point, very easy to recognize, but even within that family there are types. The LeCroy type I have tattooed on my ankle would most likely be the more common and fit your axe type.

Anything much older then your axe would fall into the Paleo period. I have only worked on one feature for those cultures and then it was blown, idiot children didn't have a clue what they had and I didn't get my mits on it till they were going to slow and the bossmen wanted it out of there. (had to they didn't get the proper permission to do that area, which was a quartz outcrop workshop area.) Then I had to convince them it was a feature to begin with. It later turned out to be a very significant find. Even I didn't know it at the time. That was in southern New Hampshire and the flakes came from a mountain in Maine. It was a hearth and they wouldn't let me do it properly. :cry:

Anyway, it's really really old, lol. Even older then I am. :wink:


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10 Oct 2007, 7:19 am

I have been reading the posts with great interest.

Krex, I stand with CC, Blessed Mom, Nan in your cheer squad.


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10 Oct 2007, 9:13 am

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Hey, but if it was, wouldn't it happen all the time? Like, you couldn't make a conscious effort to shut it off? ... If you could control it, then it can't be a hardwired thing, right?

Doesn't work like that. Hardly anything divides up into either totally hardwired or totally learned. Also, stuff you learned can become fairly automatic and more hardwired behaviour can be cotnrolled. Think of driving. That is not hardwired, but once you learned, you don't need to control every single step. The obsessive behaviours in OCD are often things quite specific to life in a technological civilization, so it's unlikely they are hardwired, but they are difficult to control. And at least some hardwired responses can be controlled. Not stepping of a cliff into empty air is more on the hardwired side, but there are people who go skydiving for fun.

I know hardly anything about ADD and ADHD specifically, but I searched around a bit, and found this. That might give a bit of background.


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10 Oct 2007, 10:15 am

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CC, I wish you were my neighbour! :)


But I am your neighbor, Lauri. And I'm only a click away. How's your freak flag flyin'?


CC, You have no idea how much that means to me, especially today!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! :) My freak flag is flying at half mast. :(


Whazzamatta, Mom??... oh, later post.

You know, Mom, you're not alone. There's just nobody physically there with you at present. WE'RE there, ya know. And considering you're taking a bubble bath, I dunno if you really want Postie in the room or not.... :wink:


:oops: mmmmm.........wwweeeelllll.....(looks at floor and shuffles feet)....NO!! :oops:


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