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postpaleo
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07 Jan 2008, 12:41 pm
blessedmom wrote:
8O 
Postie's back!! !
Postie's back!! !HAH!! The Dynamic Duo's partner returns...I thought we burned you before..err wait, I think I was in deep wirch hunter do-do as you and that other wirch flopped the tables on me and Chuck left me to turn goats into windows or something like that. The Inquisition did not do well on that match up at all. *ribbit*
07 Jan 2008, 12:46 pm
postpaleo wrote:
blessedmom wrote:
8O Postie's back!! !
Postie's back!! !HAH!! The Dynamic Duo's partner returns...I thought we burned you before..err wait, I think I was in deep wirch hunter do-do as you and that other wirch flopped the tables on me and Chuck left me to turn goats into windows or something like that. The Inquisition did not do well on that match up at all. *ribbit*
I do believe it was trial by drowning and this wirch did turn the tables on you. I seem to remember a certain potion and incantation. Oh drat!! ! Where is my pink tutu? I think I left it in the pocket!
postpaleo
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07 Jan 2008, 1:04 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:09 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:14 pm
Chuck wrote:
blessedmom wrote:
... 
Who said I'm moving this weekend?? Do you know something i don't?
Who said I'm moving this weekend?? Do you know something i don't? ... things I don't know, or think I know but don't, or hear but misunderstand, I make up. I thought you told me you'd be moving this weekend, but would be back Monday. But that was probably what you told me in a realistic dream, perhaps when I fell asleep during (one of the) boring lectures at the seminar I attended on Friday. Or perhaps I am clairvoyant, and I foresaw that you will be moving on some future weekend, but will return on it's respective Monday. (
Gotta fix that glitch in my crystal ball).Lauri wrote:
I am waiting for a phone call from the Housing Authority (low income housing) because I'm on the waiting list. In the meantime I have been packing and am ready when they call. But I have huge reason to keep smiling. And feeling like a queen 
!
!Oh sure! Don't tell us. Just leave us hanging. I'm not curious. Not me. I have never been interested in anything. Nope. Don't want to know. Just keep it to yourself. Miss smiling queen.
Just say your synapsis misfired. It covers all possibilities.
07 Jan 2008, 1:27 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:39 pm
Chuck wrote:
ZanneMarie wrote:
You need to find the golden book on Neurology and pass it out. It's obvious many could use it.
I think it's time to head back to my closet. Those clinging so tightly to their ghastly ideas is already irritating me. It's kind of like my opinion of Jerry Springer: I've already accepted that the world is comprised of 80% who belong to the Confederacy of Dunces, it doesn't mean I have to actually see it in action on a daily basis. I'm happy in my ignorance. It serves me well. Ack! They leave a bad taste in my mouth. Plus this is my day to let people have it. I did it at PetSmart this morning and I just did it in the In Depth Adult section (what the heck is that name anyway?). I wonder if I can retire in Belize if I cash out?
I think it's time to head back to my closet. Those clinging so tightly to their ghastly ideas is already irritating me. It's kind of like my opinion of Jerry Springer: I've already accepted that the world is comprised of 80% who belong to the Confederacy of Dunces, it doesn't mean I have to actually see it in action on a daily basis. I'm happy in my ignorance. It serves me well. Ack! They leave a bad taste in my mouth. Plus this is my day to let people have it. I did it at PetSmart this morning and I just did it in the In Depth Adult section (what the heck is that name anyway?). I wonder if I can retire in Belize if I cash out?
Saw the comment on "over-thinking things". I have always done that. Ruminate when things go wrong. My analysis (and admittedly over-analysis, and going back to it, and picking it apart, and re-examination of it, for the nth time ) of a situation is how I learn (perhaps) from it. If I could not do that, my "wheelchair" would indeed be gone. (Good analogy, BTW).You have targeted this correctly as well:
out of context quote from what ZanneMarie wrote:
...Whether someone does not use their mirror neurons for 20 years is irrelevant if they are damaged. That theory only works if they are perfectly functional but never used. In that case your theory would be correct, JC, but you can't tell that without scans you can actually read. If they are damaged or broken, then trying to use them again 20 years later is going to lead to the same results. You'd have to actually have new mirror neurons, some that still work or find out if the brain can transform other neurons into that functionality. That's where the answer lies. If you can't do that then all rehabilitative efforts if they are broken are futile. They only possibly give limited results if they are damaged.
There is newfound hope, for some, perhaps, possibly, 100 years from now:
An investigation of neural stem cells by Dr. Goldman revealed that glial mutipotent progenitor cells exist in the brain (see link below if interested):
http://www.nyp.org/news/hospital/340.html
I went to a neurology seminar Friday, hoping to talk with Dr. Goldman, as I have memorized his neuroanatomy book. Unfortunately, he was not in attendance. Wanted to talk to him about the possibility of establishing mirror neurons in an individual without them. Talked with neurologist Derek Schramm, PhD, who was there, and who told me essentially this:
paraphrase of Dr. Scramm's discussion, and not what he "wrote", but cannot eliminate this final word: wrote:
All talk of practical application concerning this discovery is science fiction at this point - we just aren't close to being where we would have to be to make this a possibility - yet. (he estimated 40 to 100 more years of research and testing would take us there).
Neural stem cells are like "lazy teenagers" - just because damaged cells exist in a person's brain (or a need for replacing missing cells that stem cells "could" potentially become), doesn't mean they will, or can be made to. They would rather lie there and remain stem cells.
Two things have been shown to cause neuronal stem cells not to differentiate into new cells (they remain stem cells): smoking, and lack of exercise.
Neural stem cells are like "lazy teenagers" - just because damaged cells exist in a person's brain (or a need for replacing missing cells that stem cells "could" potentially become), doesn't mean they will, or can be made to. They would rather lie there and remain stem cells.
Two things have been shown to cause neuronal stem cells not to differentiate into new cells (they remain stem cells): smoking, and lack of exercise.
So, theoretically (please note emphasis of the word theoretically, especially since this is coming out of my brain): if a person didn't smoke, exercised regularly, and was in possession of neural stem cells, which could be induced to form into mirror neurons.... that person would have a shot - if what one "learns" with mirror neurons at an early age could be "learned" by an individual at a later stage in life (who had mirror neurons grown in his/her brain); or if they could be "turned on" early enough in an infant's life (born without mirror neurons, or improperly functioning ones).
But your argument 'to work forward from actual clinical neuron-based research', not backward from well-intentioned (but perhaps misguided) theories is correct.
[Those "well-intentioned theories" can "feel" so right that their authors will ignore all facts to the contrary. Offering to pass out Golden Books on Neurology would probably lead to "well-intentioned theory author anger" (herinafter referred to as WITAA) rather than enlightenment - and further fuel your frustration.
I hope you do not retreat into the cupboard again, (much as I understand your desire to do so - I was happy in my ignorance as well)].Now that I know that you all are "out there", I miss you when you leave. I understand your need for a break and an escape - even long ones. But I hope you always return.
Besides, Marcel Proust, at the end of his life, looked back and decided that all the years that he suffered - those were the best years of his life. Because they made him who he was. They forced him to think and grow, and to feel very deeply. And the years that he was happy? Total waste. Didn't learn anything.
...so if you leave Wrong Planet ... think of all the suffering you will miss!! !"
Proust may have felt that, but my happiest years have been spent holed up in a small space and writing.
You are right about the golden book on Neurology. I was assuming too much. I have so little patience for lack of logic. I remember the kids in school thinking I was a snob. I suppose I was. I have to stay away from the do-gooders and remind myself that they are like the people in a Clockwork Orange trying to cure Alex. The world is filled with these people and I can't let them suck up my energy.
I'll try not to go back to the closet, but sometimes I go there and forget to come back. It's a common problem. I think this is why my husband made me marry him. He was afraid I'd just wander off one day and not return.
07 Jan 2008, 1:42 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:44 pm
blessedmom wrote:
ROFL!
07 Jan 2008, 1:46 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:49 pm
postpaleo wrote:
Gromit wrote:
Chuck wrote:
Gromit? DuncanBass? Postie? Nan? Lauri has a secret, ..an', ..an' won't share it!! ! 
I am not going to touch this. I already am deep in chocolate debt as it is, I'll be paying off my installments for years to come. You are Mr Squeezyman, if you can't squeeze it out of her, what makes you think I could? And don't forget, she's got the Rock.
Ask Nan. She might be able to lean on Lauri. She's a great leaner, Nan is. That piddling little tower in Pisa has nothing on Nan when it comes to a good leaning.
Your alternative is surveillance. Who do we know has been trained in sneaking up on people?
That should give you a start. Me, I'm not curious. I am serene. I am detached. I am above it all. Or possibly behind. It's hard to tell.
Hard to tell? Would you like me to give my good doctor.. Doc Tomás de Torquemada, a reference to help you? He can help straighten you out and make you tell. Gifted man. He works for the government right now, so maybe it's just me that gets to see him. But I'll put in a good word for you or any word he would like me to say. He's really good at detaching things too.
And you'll be cured all right!! !
07 Jan 2008, 1:50 pm
07 Jan 2008, 1:52 pm
ZanneMarie wrote:
Nan wrote:
blessedmom wrote:
Back to bed with me. Luvs ya, oh nosy one!! !
Who's back to bed with ya, Lauri? [enquiring minds want to know]
and what's the big secret, huh? what is it?
At least a month....back to bed... Come on! What do you think it is.
Oh my god, no!! It is not that. I made it impossible for that to happen ever again. Uh uh, no way! And I think you missed it while you were gone but there isn't a man around to help with that anymore.
Not a bad thing, really.
07 Jan 2008, 2:18 pm
Chuck wrote:
ZanneMarie wrote:
You need to find the golden book on Neurology and pass it out. It's obvious many could use it.
I think it's time to head back to my closet. Those clinging so tightly to their ghastly ideas is already irritating me. It's kind of like my opinion of Jerry Springer: I've already accepted that the world is comprised of 80% who belong to the Confederacy of Dunces, it doesn't mean I have to actually see it in action on a daily basis. I'm happy in my ignorance. It serves me well. Ack! They leave a bad taste in my mouth. Plus this is my day to let people have it. I did it at PetSmart this morning and I just did it in the In Depth Adult section (what the heck is that name anyway?). I wonder if I can retire in Belize if I cash out?
I think it's time to head back to my closet. Those clinging so tightly to their ghastly ideas is already irritating me. It's kind of like my opinion of Jerry Springer: I've already accepted that the world is comprised of 80% who belong to the Confederacy of Dunces, it doesn't mean I have to actually see it in action on a daily basis. I'm happy in my ignorance. It serves me well. Ack! They leave a bad taste in my mouth. Plus this is my day to let people have it. I did it at PetSmart this morning and I just did it in the In Depth Adult section (what the heck is that name anyway?). I wonder if I can retire in Belize if I cash out?
Saw the comment on "over-thinking things". I have always done that. Ruminate when things go wrong. My analysis (and admittedly over-analysis, and going back to it, and picking it apart, and re-examination of it, for the nth time ) of a situation is how I learn (perhaps) from it. If I could not do that, my "wheelchair" would indeed be gone. (Good analogy, BTW).You have targeted this correctly as well:
out of context quote from what ZanneMarie wrote:
...Whether someone does not use their mirror neurons for 20 years is irrelevant if they are damaged. That theory only works if they are perfectly functional but never used. In that case your theory would be correct, JC, but you can't tell that without scans you can actually read. If they are damaged or broken, then trying to use them again 20 years later is going to lead to the same results. You'd have to actually have new mirror neurons, some that still work or find out if the brain can transform other neurons into that functionality. That's where the answer lies. If you can't do that then all rehabilitative efforts if they are broken are futile. They only possibly give limited results if they are damaged.
There is newfound hope, for some, perhaps, possibly, 100 years from now:
An investigation of neural stem cells by Dr. Goldman revealed that glial mutipotent progenitor cells exist in the brain (see link below if interested):
http://www.nyp.org/news/hospital/340.html
I went to a neurology seminar Friday, hoping to talk with Dr. Goldman, as I have memorized his neuroanatomy book. Unfortunately, he was not in attendance. Wanted to talk to him about the possibility of establishing mirror neurons in an individual without them. Talked with neurologist Derek Schramm, PhD, who was there, and who told me essentially this:
paraphrase of Dr. Scramm's discussion, and not what he "wrote", but cannot eliminate this final word: wrote:
All talk of practical application concerning this discovery is science fiction at this point - we just aren't close to being where we would have to be to make this a possibility - yet. (he estimated 40 to 100 more years of research and testing would take us there).
Neural stem cells are like "lazy teenagers" - just because damaged cells exist in a person's brain (or a need for replacing missing cells that stem cells "could" potentially become), doesn't mean they will, or can be made to. They would rather lie there and remain stem cells.
Two things have been shown to cause neuronal stem cells not to differentiate into new cells (they remain stem cells): smoking, and lack of exercise.
Neural stem cells are like "lazy teenagers" - just because damaged cells exist in a person's brain (or a need for replacing missing cells that stem cells "could" potentially become), doesn't mean they will, or can be made to. They would rather lie there and remain stem cells.
Two things have been shown to cause neuronal stem cells not to differentiate into new cells (they remain stem cells): smoking, and lack of exercise.
So, theoretically (please note emphasis of the word theoretically, especially since this is coming out of my brain): if a person didn't smoke, exercised regularly, and was in possession of neural stem cells, which could be induced to form into mirror neurons.... that person would have a shot - if what one "learns" with mirror neurons at an early age could be "learned" by an individual at a later stage in life (who had mirror neurons grown in his/her brain); or if they could be "turned on" early enough in an infant's life (born without mirror neurons, or improperly functioning ones).
But your argument 'to work forward from actual clinical neuron-based research', not backward from well-intentioned (but perhaps misguided) theories is correct.
[Those "well-intentioned theories" can "feel" so right that their authors will ignore all facts to the contrary. Offering to pass out Golden Books on Neurology would probably lead to "well-intentioned theory author anger" (herinafter referred to as WITAA) rather than enlightenment - and further fuel your frustration.
I hope you do not retreat into the cupboard again, (much as I understand your desire to do so - I was happy in my ignorance as well)].Now that I know that you all are "out there", I miss you when you leave. I understand your need for a break and an escape - even long ones. But I hope you always return.
Besides, Marcel Proust, at the end of his life, looked back and decided that all the years that he suffered - those were the best years of his life. Because they made him who he was. They forced him to think and grow, and to feel very deeply. And the years that he was happy? Total waste. Didn't learn anything.
...so if you leave Wrong Planet ... think of all the suffering you will miss!! !"
Goldman's research holds promise, but they need to also think about how mirror neurons are used in infants to "learn" non-verbal cues. Infants have the most one on one contact with a human adult (typically) so to use the stem cells in an adult human (if they could be turned off to everything but mirror neuron production) would also require that adult to spend the amount of time an infant spends with their caretaker in the same ways. Otherwise, your result would not be the same. I don't see that working in a normal adult setting because the time spent learning what an infant does through their mirror neurons is not the same nor is the type of contact. You'd be talking extensive therapy after the regeneration is successful.
Also, he was looking at everything but Autism. Is this because it is developmental and not disease or trauma induced? In the case of developmental, depending on when it is happening in the process, the problem could go all the way back from the forming of the neural node in an embryo. You couldn't really take an Autistic's stem cells and come up with a new result unless something after that point causes the difference.
Come to think of it, I don't know why they don't start from Goldman's research to figure out when it's happening. You could start from the stem cells of any Autistic, take it through the steps and find out exactly when the difference presents itself.
Frankly, that would be more useful than all this other mumbo jumbo based on "feeling." <rolls eyes again>
This is what comes of allowing Psychiatry to "own" Autism. They'll never figure anything out because frankly they wouldn't earn any money if they did. They want to "talk" you out of it or "drug" you out of it or "behavior therapy" you out of it. That's where their money is and they are not going to spend money on a theory like Goldman's that would take it away from them. Hacks. <spit> That's what I have to say about that. Witch doctors. The lot of them.
07 Jan 2008, 2:23 pm
blessedmom wrote:
ZanneMarie wrote:
Nan wrote:
blessedmom wrote:
Back to bed with me. Luvs ya, oh nosy one!! !
Who's back to bed with ya, Lauri? [enquiring minds want to know]
and what's the big secret, huh? what is it?
At least a month....back to bed... Come on! What do you think it is.
Oh my god, no!! It is not that. I made it impossible for that to happen ever again. Uh uh, no way! And I think you missed it while you were gone but there isn't a man around to help with that anymore.
Not a bad thing, really.That is what you get for not telling. And no man is required. You can order that and it comes in a cryogenic tank. You just use a turkey baster. Ask my best friend. I had to hear all about it. <sigh> The things you do for your friends!
Her cryogenic tank was delivered to a FEED store. LOL She lives in a little town and South Dakota so they send it with all the bull sperm. LMAO
07 Jan 2008, 3:13 pm
ZanneMarie wrote:
...Proust may have felt that, but my happiest years have been spent holed up in a small space and writing.
Time flies for me when I'm holed up drawing. I doubt on my death bed I'll reflect on how much I enjoyed my job, and how I wish it would have taken all my time away from drawing. Then again, I may be stark raving mad on my death bed.
