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25 Feb 2008, 8:27 pm

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Grieving and healing topic

What you are about to read is going to sound heartless, and I would not blame anyone if they were angry with me.
When my parents died (at separate times), I did not feel anything. I never had a relationship with either--at least one of quality. If my younger sister died right now, I would probably not blink an eye. We have never been close. The only close relationship I have ever had is with my kids.

I never much cared about my parents and siblings. No love lost there as there was never any in the first place. Just a toxic relationship that I ended many years ago. My oldest daughter likes her aunt, my sister. I do not discourage her being with her aunt, but I want nothing to do with it. This has caused some rift. I have told Janet how I feel about her aunt, and I have no wish to have anything to do with her, but I wish her the best of luck.

I hope no one has any other problems like this.


I don't think it sounds heartless. I have that same thing going on with some of my siblings, and my mother. While am sure that I would grieve a little, if they were to die, I'd mostly resent them escaping before I could give them a good talking to about their selfish, toxic ways. So, unfortunately, yeah, I have problems like this.


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25 Feb 2008, 8:29 pm

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About grief....

I have thought often of how I will feel about my parents death.They have shut me out of their daily life(or I did that,when I first tried suicide at 16?)but they have always been there for me when I have had a "break-down" or needed rent money or another "emergency".It is clear they dont want me as a part of their lives but they are the only support system I could ever count on....They believe in the "responsibility" of family ties...they just prefer doing it from a distance.I can't even invision them ever dyeing...it's like imagining the ocean evaporating some day.Inspite of our lack of a relationship...their dying will feel like I am an astronaut whose life line has been cut to the space craft...I see myself floating in space.I will be invisable in the world.


That's exactly how I will feel when my father dies. I have been trying to heal our relationship, these past two years. Now he is in the hospital, after having a massive stroke, and I fear he may not live. It is uncanny, krex, what you say about floating in space, invisible to the world. You voiced my thoughts.


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25 Feb 2008, 9:49 pm

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It seems a bit strange to expect someone who has left your life to still express any concern for your feelings.


Why?

I admit... I am most naive at how people can turn their feelings for one another on-and-off like a light switch.

When someone dies in her family or if she is ever ill, you can bet that I will feel sad about it, offer my assistance, and probably pass on my condolences.
I do expect that any offers of help might be turned away because we are divorced... but why should I turn a cold shoulder to people who told me for 17 yrs that I was family to them?
We've only been divorced since last September and the divorce took two years... we were in love for much longer than that.

It is a sad thing when people feel they are bound by the status quo to act in a certain manner just because 'that's the way everyone does it'.

Getting divorced does not have to mean you shut off your feelings about another human being.
We didn't get divorced because one of us was a monster to the other.
We got divorced because she got tired of my ADD/HD issues (not completing projects, forgetting stuff, etc.), and my gender issues.


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25 Feb 2008, 10:49 pm

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It seems a bit strange to expect someone who has left your life to still express any concern for your feelings.


Why? I admit... I am most naive at how people can turn their feelings for one another on-and-off like a light switch. When someone dies in her family or if she is ever ill, you can bet that I will feel sad about it, offer my assistance, and probably pass on my condolences. I do expect that any offers of help might be turned away because we are divorced... but why should I turn a cold shoulder to people who told me for 17 yrs that I was family to them?

We're not talking about your ex in-laws, wsmac. Your ex-wife may very well have feelings for her ex-inlaws, but we're not talking about how she feels about them. I believe your initial query was pertaining to why your ex-wife didn't offer you her condolences.

All of this is conjecture only, because I do not know you and I do not know your ex-wife; and because you asked for opinions on why she may be reacting the way she has chosen to do towards ~you~. These are my gut responses, having observed people for my lifetime.


We've only been divorced since last September and the divorce took two years... we were in love for much longer than that. It is a sad thing when people feel they are bound by the status quo to act in a certain manner just because 'that's the way everyone does it'. Getting divorced does not have to mean you shut off your feelings about another human being. No it does not. But in many divorces, from what I've seen, there is one party who just "doesn't get it" that it's over - that the second party either has no feelings towards them, or that the feelings are negative (sometimes negative in the extreme). They can't acknowledge that for a very long time, and they are miserable until they can do so. I don't know that this is the case in your life, but it is certainly something you might want to look at very carefully.

We didn't get divorced because one of us was a monster to the other. We got divorced because she got tired of my ADD/HD issues (not completing projects, forgetting stuff, etc.), and my gender issues.It's too bad that you were unable to work out the issues between the two of you. I'm really sorry to have to be blunt [as it feels almost cruel], but delete the part of the second sentence starting with "of my ADD/HD" out to the end. Substitute "me." A person is their issues, in many respects. If that statement provokes an extremely strong emotional response in you, when you do the "me" exercise, then perhaps there's something you haven't quite come to terms with yet.

It's entirely possible she has other reasons for her behavior (or lack thereof). I do not know her, as I said. I don't know how much hell you put each other through, or not; or what you did and she bore without you realizing it, or vice versa. I have taken the time to put forward a hypothesis that you might want to examine honestly. If your life is following that scenario and the relationship is truly over under those terms, I hope you can learn to just let it go and then heal.

I am neither a trained psychotherapist, nor do I particularly enjoy saying things that I suspect may cause anyone any added pain. I do not lie to people, however, and you did ask for opinions. That is my "from the hip" observation, from 1,000 miles away of a stranger who gives only his side of a two-sided issue. Thankfully you have a therapist, hopefully a good one, and you'll be able to get your life together soon.


I'm sorry, there is nothing more than that which I can give to you. I don't think the Cafe will be the most productive venue for continuing anything of this particular vein, as the denizens here tend to like to keep it light. You will definitely get sympathy and words of encouragement (as there are a number of very decent souls here), but I don't know that you'll get the answers for which you're looking through that. I'm sure there are folks on the board who will discuss this with you privately, or openly in other threads designed for such issues, and give you substantial feedback over a long period of time (if necessary).

I do wish you the very best of luck with it.



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26 Feb 2008, 2:16 pm

Hi there all you other creaky aging aspies, I have been unable to find time to go thru the 799 pages of this thread to search for the answer to my question and keyword searching tends to be turned off...So, I apologize for butting in and possibly asking redundant questions but here I go - nothing ventured, nothing gained:

Have any of you experienced having the clumsiness come back like you maybe had in childhood?

I'm asking not just for myself but my 70-something year old mum. Until learning more about Asperger's in recent months, I used to just think she was fussy and couldn't stand loud noises and bright lights because she was old, but she's ALWAYS been that way. In the last few years her motor coordination esp on her left side has deteriorated and she has not had a stroke that might have done something like this. It's the lopsidedness of it that causes me to ask and also makes me wonder what I can expect (I'm only in my 40's) as I age and if I work at it can I keep the neural pathways more in shape. My motor-clumsiness in adulthood improved with diligent exercise. Any case histories here of keeping those pathways functioning well? Thanks all!



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26 Feb 2008, 2:49 pm

Hi...I dont know any "elders" with AS in person,so I am only theorizing.(I am 43)I do know that my own coordination has decreased over time and it seems normal to me that this would be true of NT and AS.I recall watching older people dance when I was in my teens and twenties and thinking...how can they be so uncordinated,stiff and have no rhythm?Now I dance like that(so,I dont dance in public,lol)


Strokes?It is not that uncommon for older people to suffer from mini-strokes.My father did for several months and we had no idea until he passed on.You could talk to her doctor about blood thinners,small dose asprin.There are also medications,vit,herbs that are supposed to increase blood circulation and ThiChi has helped many with coordination and circulation.

I do think that I am not more aspie then when I was younger but learning about aspergers has just made me more aware of traits I just thought were "me"...now I have a name for it.I have recently felt that I have regressed in some ways but I attribute that to recent increase in trying to learn new skills.I believe this may have diverted some of my attention/energy from the "acting NT" skills I have learned and the over all anxiety of change has increased some of my sensitivity to environmental stimuli.


Hope that helps?


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26 Feb 2008, 3:06 pm

Would you like some cheese with that "whine".....

I'm back to complain about the Aspergers Invisibility Syndrome.

I know I am self consumed.I force to respond to other people because I have learned that it is what people do and you will be austricised if you dont.I get it,it makes society function.That said,it doesn't come natural.Not that I dont often think about others but just forget to say what I am thinking(or am afraid of saying something wrong,so dont say anything).

MY mother lost no time in letting me know how selfish and self-centered I was since they adopted me at 5,so I have had years to practice but it's still hard for me to remember to respond to others.I didnt learn to ask others for help until I was 26 and they taught me how to do it when I went through CD treatment...perhaps I now abuse asking for help?It's hard for me to understand the balance of give and take,even if I understand the concept.

so here is what is going on.....

I belong to the Etsy forums and there is one section for asking for critiques from people.I have given some suggestions and not insulted any one(I dont think).I asked for feedback from others and keep getting ignored...out of two requests...I got 3 responses.Most people get a min of 10-30 responses but I literally begged for responses three times yesterday before anyone responded.Today,I tried again,assuming it would be a new crop of people and got no responses...nobody else got no responses.It is really hard to figure out what I am doing wrong.I try and keep my threads short(I know that is a problem here)but it hasnt helped....

The conclussion is....people really hate the stuff I make and dont want to hurt my feelings or lie.I am doing something to piss people off.They can smell a freak through the internet and dont want to get contaminated by my freak germs.

Soooo...You guys know me.Whats wrong with me?Why dont people like me?This isnt a pity party,I just want to understand what I am doing wrong.

cluelessly yours....


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26 Feb 2008, 3:20 pm

JoanDarris wrote:
Hi there all you other creaky aging aspies, I have been unable to find time to go thru the 799 pages of this thread to search for the answer to my question and keyword searching tends to be turned off...So, I apologize for butting in and possibly asking redundant questions but here I go - nothing ventured, nothing gained:

Have any of you experienced having the clumsiness come back like you maybe had in childhood?

I'm asking not just for myself but my 70-something year old mum. Until learning more about Asperger's in recent months, I used to just think she was fussy and couldn't stand loud noises and bright lights because she was old, but she's ALWAYS been that way. In the last few years her motor coordination esp on her left side has deteriorated and she has not had a stroke that might have done something like this. It's the lopsidedness of it that causes me to ask and also makes me wonder what I can expect (I'm only in my 40's) as I age and if I work at it can I keep the neural pathways more in shape. My motor-clumsiness in adulthood improved with diligent exercise. Any case histories here of keeping those pathways functioning well? Thanks all!


I don't think my clumsiness ever left me...


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26 Feb 2008, 3:57 pm

Krex my love! You probably are clueless about how we feel about you here.

You are loved by me. You are wise and your words often lead me to see things in a different way. Your explanation of empathy, for example, is worth pondering.

On etsy you are assuming that you are not liked by lack of responses. You probably feel disappointed about responses and reading too much into it.

Keep going with your craft. I have seen your site and I love your armlets and anklets. I will buy the same for my very fussy imaginative daughter when I have the cash. She has very definite tastes and wants to make a statement by wearing original stuff.

You are an artist. You are allowed to be a little strange in the real world. I doubt though that you come across as strange. Take heart.


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I think there must be some chronic learning disability that is so prevalent among NT's that it goes unnoticed by the "experts". Krex


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26 Feb 2008, 4:31 pm

Thank you nannarob.I just dont know how to understand the lack of response from people.I did finally get a few responses but am still overwhelmed and confused by "rules" I dont think I can ever learn.As my therepists have always said..."I think to much"(and that was an criticism),but what else is there to do?

I will be glad to make a "made to order" cuff for your daughter when ever you are ready.I have many colors of leather and suede,any color bead and lots of different types of wire and stones(I spend way to much money on supplies when I joined Etsy)
I was actually thinking of "belly dancers" when I made the ankle cuffs...I love that gypsy type stuff.


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26 Feb 2008, 6:42 pm

There is probably some rule about not breaking into the 800 zone without a good video...but I am a rebal,so...

Just found this thread on my Etsy site and thought......Are aspies coming out of the woodwork or am I just looking to hard for evidence of them?Seemed odd that there would be so many nerds in one thread????

any opinions?



http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?t ... 375&page=1


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26 Feb 2008, 6:56 pm

A Kindred Dino-Spirit Topic

Hello, Nannarob. I will never stop the title summaries I write at the beginning of each post. Never worry. :mrgreen:

Thanks for the support. Toxic relationships should never be tolerated. I have no regrets at not grieving for my parents death. Instead, long ago I grieved and healed when I realized I was never going to have the relationship I wanted and needed from them. I have tried not to make their mistakes. :)


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26 Feb 2008, 6:59 pm

Tony Attwood has a game he plays. It is 'Spot the aspie'. He says that aspies concentrate in engineering departments at uni (in fact in any department in unis), as computer geeks, in libraries. Why not on craft sites!


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I think there must be some chronic learning disability that is so prevalent among NT's that it goes unnoticed by the "experts". Krex


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26 Feb 2008, 7:22 pm

Sneaking in to get the first post on page 800. (I suspect I'll be in bed before the page fills up, unless I can think of something amazing to say.)

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26 Feb 2008, 11:13 pm

Well geeeezzzzz...........

Someone has to post on the 800th page. Where is everyone?? The most social bunch of Aspies on the planet come to the cafe apparently. HEEELLLLLLOOOOOOOO......... HEELLlllllllooooo........ heelloooo......llloooo.....llooo...lo

Don't make me post another Youtube... Lau will be most annoyed with me. :)


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26 Feb 2008, 11:17 pm

Popping in briefly, before going back to bed, where I've been all day. Hi, everyone!


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