I hate this site
I don't usually pay attention to who does the actual name calling, but I do see a lot of people accusing people of trolling, and sometimes I think it's more of a jest thing than not, but sometimes they seem pretty serious. I also notice it happens a lot when people aren't really reading the post, like they misunderstood the post. I don't think the OP on this thread was talking about people being mean where he can call them trolls or ignore them. I think that person had a problem and nobody was responding to the thread.
I do agree with sins boldly, if someone is being rude, you should report them to the moderators instead of calling them a troll. I personally don't like being a tattletale, so I tend to approach rude comments head on, and I do it without calling them names or accusing them of trolling. You can attack someone's post, but you can't attack them as a person. If it gets heated, which sometimes it will, the mods are pretty good at finding those and clearing them up without you having to tell them.
I will say though, I'm not perfect also. Sometimes in attacking the post, I can get rude with a person. I don't mean to, but sometimes you read what someone says and you are thinking, "What an idiot?" It's really hard to respond to something when you think they are an idiot without it showing in the post. I do try to control it by reminding myself of the smart things they had come up with, but if those aren't there, it's really hard to set the right tone. I think it's worse because of the Aspergers. Like, I don't always associate stupidity with a negative thing. Some people really are stupid about certain things. I will say I'm stupid on certain topics. I can also say I'm an idiot when it comes to certain logic. I still don't think it makes me less of a person because of it, so most of the time, if I think someone isn't that bright with reading comprehension, I get over it and try to clarify better. But if they are being a stubborn jerk who refuses to actually read what I say and argue just to argue, then it's not a question of ignorance as much as intention, and I get really frustrated by that, but I've been known to be stubborn, so that would make me a partial hypocrite (i don't usually argue with people to argue, so partial). It's not really fair to people when I'm like that. Most people do that as a result of emotion, and just because I can push my emotions to the side and not take it out on people I'm talking to, I don't understand the concept that other people supposedly cannot do that, so I take it personal.
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Since I've been here, there are some forums that're great for supporting and others not so much....
Not everyone is here to support so I look at this site like the real world. You take what you can get and leave the rest behind. I usually avoid and not respond to people who are being rude or hateful unless it gets to the point where I'll have to confront them. I think it's real easy to get emotions caught up online since we can sit here and vent as we type yet have the comfort of being somewhat annonymous.
Since I joined, the best thing I've learned is to get involved. Be willing to be supportive as those who are supportive to you. But at the same time, be open to different perspectives and opinions. I think it's hard for some of us to see the whole big picture when we're focused on one problem or person at a time. I get like that at my job whenever I deal with a few rude people. It's easy for me to forget the nice and helpful people on that same day who were there for me.
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I never called him a troll, all I said was we will assume he is if he doesn't tell is what the insults were. Someone asked what they were and he never answered and she told him again he still hadn't told us what the insults were. I mean why complain about something and then not answer a question? That just raises a red flag. If he were being honest, wouldn't he have just showed us the posts or repeat what they were? Like DW a Mom suggested the first possibility could be he just likes to complain but she thought of the second possibility instead of what it is.
I didn't see any insults when I went through his posts and read his threads.
How terribly for her....
If you are going to make accusations, the burden is on you to provide evidence to back up those accusations. Resorting to ad hominems doesn't help your case at all.
The moderators have repeatedly asked you to PM them directly with that evidence. Treating them and many others as though they were downright stupid doesn't make your accusation any more true. Please focus on a solution to the problem at hand.
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And I was responding to Tantybi with my last reply in this thread. Maybe I should start quoting when I reply because someone else might be making the reply too as I am replying and hit submit before I do. Or check the thread after I reply and see if any replies had been made and go back and edit my post adding the person's post I was replying too.
Merle
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Morriganinoregon, then you have violated the rules and the trust of the members of this site. You have two screen names on this site. You have sinsboldly and morriganinoregon. It really violates the trust of the members when a moderator is using two screen names and is not supportive at all when you're, essentially deceiving people intentionally.
Were you responding to me about the can't read part? or the you never called anyone a troll part?
Either way, I was never talking about you particularly. I had other people in the back of my mind when I was talking about reading comprehension skills not saying that they couldn't read at all, but they had problems comprehending what was written. I'm not trying to say I'm a fabulous writer or anything, but I'll say one thing flat out and people seem to take it another route that is no where implied.
Someone else specifically brought up your name to accusing people of trolling. I wasn't even talking about this thread when I say I see it. I don't even pay attention to who is making such claims. I also said that it is better to tell a mod than to call people names, but I, meaning I, would rather hit things head on than tell a mod (not calling people names but debate their logic). I probably would tell a mod if something was really bad, but I have yet to witness that. One was really bad a while back, and I still handled it my way. Someone else had told a mod and the person who was being really awful with posts I think was threatened to be banned and then quit coming.
Like I said though, I'm not sure what post was directed toward me at this point. I'm assuming the first one because the second one looked more directed elsewhere. I'm the one who did ask the OP to state his problems, and he didn't reply. I also said the OP wasn't complaining about insults and trolling as much as nobody responding with help, but since someone else brought up trolling (which is people being insulting), I was agreeing with Merle but I didn't want to sound like I was on my high horse, so I also added where I can come across insulting when I don't mean to.
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Merle
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Morriganinoregon, then you have violated the rules and the trust of the members of this site. You have two screen names on this site. You have sinsboldly and morriganinoregon. It really violates the trust of the members when a moderator is using two screen names and is not supportive at all when you're, essentially deceiving people intentionally.
Did you create a new screen name to make that post? I'm just curious. I can see why you might do that, but you have to admit, if you did do that, kinda funny.
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The troll part.
I also have troubles comprehending what I'm reading. That's why I usually wait until others respond in a thread so I can get the idea what the OP was saying.
Who was that? Plotinus?
The troll part.
I also have troubles comprehending what I'm reading. That's why I usually wait until others respond in a thread so I can get the idea what the OP was saying.
Who was that? Plotinus?
Some posts really don't make sense (including some of mine) where nobody is going to really understand it. Sometimes I don't know if I totally stink in the way I write or if some people just don't take the time to really read what I'm saying. It's really no big deal to me until I'm debating someone and they start arguing points I agree with them (I mean serious debates) or points that are valid points and they come up with off the wall arguments against them (like people arguing the earth is round). I get frustrated with that because my sister does that to me all the time, so it really hits a button. To be honest, my sister has calmed down though, knock on wood.
Read through this thread and you'll see what I'm talking about with your name being specifically called out (page 1 Merle's comment at the bottom and page 2 comments afterwards).
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It really helps when people quote who they are talking to, cuts down on the confusion. I have a bad habit of reading a post and then putting a ^^ to indicate I am talking to the person in the post above, but then someone posts before me and it is allllll outta whack!
quoting helps the reader keep track of the convo.
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quoting helps the reader keep track of the convo.
Er, until you just posted that, I didn't actually know what ^^ meant.

If what I'm replying to is long, sometimes I just put a piece of it into the quotes, or separate it piece by piece if there are multiple things I'm replying to. Or chop out all but the important bits and replace them with [...] so people can tell that there was more in there. I've been using the greasemonkey script for collapsing quotes too, so it's not as bad in other people's posts when they're long.
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