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07 Oct 2006, 4:40 pm

Ascan, don't you have anything better to do than to try to destroy a website that promotes free speech? There are plenty of compassionate people on Intensity who stick up for the underdogs, so stop manipulating the truth to suit your own agenda.



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07 Oct 2006, 5:39 pm

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Callaway, you know very well that AntiHeather has illustrated quite adequately the lynch-mob mentality of you and your buddies who love to indulge in feeding frenzies of abusive action against those with AS they deem deserve it, whether they are members of your site or not. AntiHeather knows considerably more about the organisation than you — she helped to create it.


But she isn't too fond of it now, is she? One suspects a grudge of some kind, rather than a more noble cause. Incidentally, the same seems to be the case with you, good sir. Why do you devote your time on several Aspie boards to attack Intensitysquared when one board - Intensitysquared - should be enough?

Are you afraid that they would disagree, that they would hold you accountable for your lies, unlike the unsuspecting aspies you're preying on now?

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It's interesting that you have a position of responsibility at Intensity² yet you still resort to unnecessary personal remarks to advance your weak argument:

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...even if it is just to help your boyfriend Ascan.


That speaks volumes as regards your own character and motives.


Indeed, characters and motives are clearly revealed, but not Callaway's. Your motives, and those of Ome- sorry, AntiHeather, should be clear to most now, considering your... relation.

I'm sure you two make a lovely couple.

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Anyway, we both now know that the AS community has been adequately warned of the dangers posed by your organisation, and I would hope that any other AS support site who has mods or admins who are also engaged in similar positions at Intensity² can remove them forthwith from that position, as I'm sure many members will feel uneasy knowing what they do now.


Aren't you willing to continue the discussion here? Won't you reveal to us what, exactly, it is that you have exposed about these heinous moderators and admins? Some of the people you are accusing seem to be about, defending their site. Now's the time, Ascan.

Why not tell the membership of your, and your girlfriend's, involvement in the AS community? Spare us no details.



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07 Oct 2006, 6:23 pm

The issue at hand is rather simple. Ascan and his... companion... want you all to believe that Intensitysquared is an aspie trap, a place where innocent aspies are ridiculed and used in any and every way possible, in the name of free speech. "Fresh meat" is supposedly what an administrator over there calls newbies.

Ask yourself: should I believe in what these two say, or should I see for myself? Can Intensitysquared really be that bad... or is it something else? Is it, perchance, something that Mr and Mrs Ascan aren't telling me?

Why is it that they and some other, supposedly bullied, aspies devote so much of their time, here and at other message boards, to badmouth Intensitysquared? Why is it that one of the "bullied" saw fit to edit an Intensitysquared member's posts and post fabrications and vulgarities in the name of another member, at Aspie Trash?

If you are an adult, if society considers you old enough to vote, then why not find out for yourself? Ascan doesn't think you can be trusted, but you know better. Right?



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08 Oct 2006, 2:58 am

I refer you to AntiHeather's post:

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Intensity has completely changed the AS on-line community; it is no longer possible for a person to join an AS board and discuss their difficulties without the risk of their actions being analysed, criticised and ridiculed by other members of the community. Intensity does not respect the wishes of those who decline the invitation to partake in their 'freedom of expression.'


I think the above is the crucial point. Many people with AS are socially isolated and want to come to these sites to make friends, and discuss their problems; that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have areas for debate, or for adult-rated humour — indeed, at WP we do. If people do fall out it can be contained within the site and its rules, generally speaking; so, people have a degree of trust and confidence that they can talk reasonably freely and openly. These places provide a valuable resource, but your organisation may destroy many of the benefits. You actively encourage ridicule of people from here purely for your own warped entertainment. It's not about reasonable criticism of those who are mods or admins and so should expect to be criticised, but about picking on normal members for the same reasons many of us have been picked on IRL. Your members have taken images of people that were copyright material from at least three AS sites and used them to ridicule members of those sites — admins could have acted immediately, but they didn't. You may recall, too, that Intensity's first incarnation was closed because the guy hosting it realised you'd gone too far, and that, I recall, involved derogatory comments about people from here.

I understand moves are afoot to attempt to get the plug pulled on your current operation. Personally, I'd rather you implemented at least some basic rules that reflected generally accepted laws on copyright and harassment, and that were also crafted to reflect the above concerns regarding your impact on support sites. Your members keep harping on about freedom of speech, yet show an extremely immature understanding of such concepts. There are accusations that I'm encouraging certain people to act against you, those are false. I've merely advised a certain individual as to a way to protect himself should you attack him further. However, should someone manage to shut you down, I'll not lose any sleep.

As for the assertion that there is some romantic link between me and another contributer to this thread, that is pure speculation. I could equally claim that Callaway felt compelled to join the fray because she was jealous of the situation you claim exists and that she is just itching to get her hands on my body by attempting to usurp the position of alpha female, and thus attract my amorous advances. Also, I could speculate that considering the undisputed romantic connection between the guy who runs Intensity² and another admin, that that situation compels that certain admin to post in this thread under the pseudonym of FreudianSlip. Or, perhaps you're Callaway come back for more! You really must try harder, FreudianSlip!



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08 Oct 2006, 3:17 am

One other point: certain admin at Intensity² take an unhealthy interest in IP adresses. As some of them also moderate on support sites, and so can access that information, I'd advise people that do join under a pseudonym to not expect anonymity.



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08 Oct 2006, 3:41 am

No, but you ascan take an unhealthy interest in IntensitySquared.



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08 Oct 2006, 3:45 am

ascan wrote:
I refer you to AntiHeather's post:

AntiHeather wrote:
Intensity has completely changed the AS on-line community; it is no longer possible for a person to join an AS board and discuss their difficulties without the risk of their actions being analysed, criticised and ridiculed by other members of the community. Intensity does not respect the wishes of those who decline the invitation to partake in their 'freedom of expression.'


I think the above is the crucial point. Many people with AS are socially isolated and want to come to these sites to make friends, and discuss their problems; that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have areas for debate, or for adult-rated humour — indeed, at WP we do. If people do fall out it can be contained within the site and its rules, generally speaking; so, people have a degree of trust and confidence that they can talk reasonably freely and openly. These places provide a valuable resource, but your organisation may destroy many of the benefits. You actively encourage ridicule of people from here purely for your own warped entertainment. It's not about reasonable criticism of those who are mods or admins and so should expect to be criticised, but about picking on normal members for the same reasons many of us have been picked on IRL. Your members have taken images of people that were copyright material from at least three AS sites and used them to ridicule members of those sites — admins could have acted immediately, but they didn't. You may recall, too, that Intensity's first incarnation was closed because the guy hosting it realised you'd gone too far, and that, I recall, involved derogatory comments about people from here.

I understand moves are afoot to attempt to get the plug pulled on your current operation. Personally, I'd rather you implemented at least some basic rules that reflected generally accepted laws on copyright and harassment, and that were also crafted to reflect the above concerns regarding your impact on support sites. Your members keep harping on about freedom of speech, yet show an extremely immature understanding of such concepts. There are accusations that I'm encouraging certain people to act against you, those are false. I've merely advised a certain individual as to a way to protect himself should you attack him further. However, should someone manage to shut you down, I'll not lose any sleep.

As for the assertion that there is some romantic link between me and another contributer to this thread, that is pure speculation. I could equally claim that Callaway felt compelled to join the fray because she was jealous of the situation you claim exists and that she is just itching to get her hands on my body by attempting to usurp the position of alpha female, and thus attract my amorous advances. Also, I could speculate that considering the undisputed romantic connection between the guy who runs Intensity² and another admin, that that situation compels that certain admin to post in this thread under the pseudonym of FreudianSlip. Or, perhaps you're Callaway come back for more! You really must try harder, FreudianSlip!


Ascan, you need to find a better hobby.



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08 Oct 2006, 7:09 am

I notice that Ascan's not responding to any of the issues brought up here, he seems satisfied to repeat his tired mantra. How about Mrs Ascan? Care to stop spreading the lies and give us some truth?

Allow me to reiterate, regarding Intensitysquared:

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If you are an adult, if society considers you old enough to vote, then why not find out for yourself? Ascan doesn't think you can be trusted, but you know better. Right?


Join us, and see for yourself. Don't take Ascan's word for it. He's the one who cannot be trusted.



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08 Oct 2006, 7:54 am

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Hi Hecate, or do you still prefer to be addressed as Queen Omega?

I don't mind; it certainly makes a change from being called a b**** or a c**t.

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In this case, the WrongPlanet member in question was Christopher M and the Intensity member was asking for help because Christopher M was being extremely abusive to her by PM. I joined WrongPlanet to support her and the other women he abused. Christopher M was trolling for vulnerable women here and abusing them both by PM and in the thread and Alex banned him because of it. He did lurk at Intensity, after he was invited, but he never joined, as far as I know.

If it is true that Christopher M had behaved in an unacceptable way, then it is up to the Management of the site involved to take the appropriate action; it is not up to members of Intensity to behave like judge, jury and executioner. Such delicate situations require great care so that innocent people are not treated unfairly, and to give the accused the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty - not to be verbally kicked to death by a cyber vigilante gang.

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man need a girl to do his fighting for him?

Even if that were true, I don't see how my gender has anything to do with it. Unless you are suggesting that women are inferior to men.

This is a classic example of a typical Intensity member who makes attacks on a person's character instead of forming a constructive counter-argument:

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But she isn't too fond of it now, is she? One suspects a grudge of some kind, rather than a more noble cause... I'm sure you two make a lovely couple.

I take it that you won't be coming to the wedding, then? 8O

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Ask yourself: should I believe in what these two say, or should I see for myself? Can Intensitysquared really be that bad... or is it something else? Is it, perchance, something that Mr and Mrs Ascan aren't telling me?

I am not saying that Intensity is completely bad; I am happy to admit that some of the disputes on Intensity have resulted in positive outcomes. However, they are very few and far between and do not justify the more commonly witnessed destructive aspects of Intensity.

And I would never expect anyone to just take my word for it about the things that take place on Intensity. Although, I'd recommend that they join under a pseudonym and acquire a fake IP address before signing-up since it is routine on Intensity to swap information about IP addresses with other popular AS sites (on Intensity it is common-place to out people as 'lurkers' and harass them for it).

By the way, the fact that you deemed it necessary to move one of the threads that I linked to - since I posted them - to a restricted-access part of Intensity, proves that you have something to hide. Not that I blame you for making that decision; Alex's father is reputed to be a lawyer, after all.


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08 Oct 2006, 8:06 am

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man need a girl to do his fighting for him?

Even if that were true, I don't see how my gender has anything to do with it. Unless you are suggesting that women are inferior to men.

This is a classic example of a typical Intensity member who makes attacks on a person's character instead of forming a constructive counter-argument:




yes, but i am sorry.
since neither you or ascan will respond to pertinent questions, yes, i have resorted to trying to drawing you out.

then maybe you people will face your demons.
meaning: you will answer some questions rather that selectively misinterpreting instances.



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08 Oct 2006, 8:34 am

I was not aware that I had missed any pertinent questions. If you re-post them, I will answer them as fully as I can (I trust they will be about the issue that we are discussing, rather than irrelevant rumours about my sex-life).

By the way, my remark about the 'typical Intensity member' was in response to FreudianSlip.


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08 Oct 2006, 8:45 am

nah, i can't be arsed.
sorry.

but if you want to pm me with the request, i wouldn't mind giving you my slanted view of things, so that you can only see one side of the story.



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08 Oct 2006, 9:31 am

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As for the assertion that there is some romantic link between me and another contributer to this thread, that is pure speculation. I could equally claim that Callaway felt compelled to join the fray because she was jealous of the situation you claim exists and that she is just itching to get her hands on my body by attempting to usurp the position of alpha female, and thus attract my amorous advances. Also, I could speculate that considering the undisputed romantic connection between the guy who runs Intensity² and another admin, that that situation compels that certain admin to post in this thread under the pseudonym of FreudianSlip. Or, perhaps you're Callaway come back for more! You really must try harder, FreudianSlip!


Are you denying that Queen Omega and you are in a relationship, Ascan? Well, here is what you had to say about the romantic link between yourself and Queen Omega on Aspie Trash, Ascan.

http://www.stimmy.net/aspietrash/viewto ... =Omega#868

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He knows what was in the post. You stating that you think I'm f**king Omega. Actually, both me and RobertN are obliging her at the same time.


You must hold a very high opinion of yourself if you think that I would welcome amorous advances from you, Ascan. Let me assure you that I do not. Frankly, the one question that I have had since learning that you and Queen Omega were in a relationship was, "What on Earth can she possibly see in ASCAN?" Your behavior has been cruel and deceitful. You have pretended to be a friend to RobertN while you manipulated him.

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If it is true that Christopher M had behaved in an unacceptable way, then it is up to the Management of the site involved to take the appropriate action; it is not up to members of Intensity to behave like judge, jury and executioner.


Did you read the thread I linked, Queen Omega? In what way do you think that I acted like Judge, Jury and Executioner? I joined here and urged all the women who Christopher_M had sent inappropriate PMs to forward them to Alex, so he could see what was happening. I felt confident that Alex would deal with the situation appropriately, but how could he know what was going on unless the victims shared the relevant information with him? Here is my post on Christopher_M's thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... 586#279586

Callaway wrote:

christopher_m wrote:
Hi Girls,

My name is Chris. I live in Dunedin, New Zealand and would love to make some female friends out there. Please feel free to text message me and say hello or email me here.

I am 29, I feel very lonely , very depressed , and would like to talk to some girls to keep me from my lonliness. I need some support at this moment because I am very sad.

I feel very lonely without a girl and when each day goes past I miss someone special in my life.

Please show me that you love me and message me back. Please give me some kisses as well. I need someone to brighten my day. I just need some affection.

Chris,



No I do not love you and I have no desire whatsoever to meet you by PM, since I know you are nasty and abusive to people by PM once you figure out that they do not want to be your girlfriend. Why would anyone want to be the girlfriend of a man who is so nasty and abusive to women?

While I agree that the content of private messages should ordinarily remain private, this is an exception when someone is using private messages to abuse other people. I strongly urge every person who has gotten an abusive PM from "Christopher_M" to forward these PM's to Alex, because I know he does not condone this sort of behavior and he will take steps to ensure that it does not happen again.


I really don't know what you see in Ascan, Queen Omega. I would urge you to read this thread that Chain started if Ascan is really who you think you want:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... torder=asc



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08 Oct 2006, 10:10 am

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But she isn't too fond of it now, is she? One suspects a grudge of some kind, rather than a more noble cause... I'm sure you two make a lovely couple.

I take it that you won't be coming to the wedding, then? 8O


Looks like I'm not the only one not to attend. Your special friend's still in denial mode.

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By the way, the fact that you deemed it necessary to move one of the threads that I linked to - since I posted them - to a restricted-access part of Intensity, proves that you have something to hide. Not that I blame you for making that decision; Alex's father is reputed to be a lawyer, after all.


I haven't touched a post, anywhere. Unlike you when you still had the power, I should add.



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08 Oct 2006, 11:46 am

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Ascan, on Aspie Trash wrote:
He knows what was in the post. You stating that you think I'm f**king Omega. Actually, both me and RobertN are obliging her at the same time.


That was obviously said tongue-in-cheek in response to a certain person's obsession with my private life. :roll:

Why the hell should I have to answer allegations about my private life anyway? Again, your line of questioning only highlights your poor judgment and lack of integrity. The fact that you're an Intensity² admin helps to highlight the treatment people can expect there.

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...while you manipulated him.


Really? I've hardly ever corresponded with the guy, except to advise him what to do should a certain person start using the pictures of his they purloined from an AS related support site.

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I really don't know what you see in Ascan, Queen Omega. I would urge you to read this thread that Chain started if Ascan is really who you think you want


Hmm... red herrings, strawmen and now NPD. The classic manifestations of an argument lost!

You really disappoint me, Callaway.

Oh, btw, last time I heard that you lot thought she was manipulating me. Hell, perhaps we both have NPD and AS to boot!



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08 Oct 2006, 11:59 am

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Did you read the thread I linked, Queen Omega? In what way do you think that I acted like Judge, Jury and Executioner? I joined here and urged all the women who Christopher_M had sent inappropriate PMs to forward them to Alex, so he could see what was happening. I felt confident that Alex would deal with the situation appropriately, but how could he know what was going on unless the victims shared the relevant information with him?

I do not have a problem with the way that you, personally, conducted yourself in that situation but I do have concerns about others inciting people to "go nuts" on someone, and then for other people to join in condemning someone before hearing the accused's side of the story and calling them a "little b****," "complete tit," "prick," "delusional twit," and "f**king c**t" etc. What ever the person had done (or hadn't done), this attitude is counter-productive - especially since it was expressed several times on the thread that he had no understanding of why his behaviour was offensive (perversely, this was cited as a justification for the assault rather than to hold back). If someone has done something genuinely loathsome, it needs to be dealt with in a rational, constructive manner; throwing them to the mercy of a pack of baying hounds achieves nothing.

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I really don't know what you see in Ascan, Queen Omega. I would urge you to read this thread that Chain started if Ascan is really who you think you want:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... torder=asc

I have been corresponding with Ascan for quite a while, so I think I am in a better position than most people to assess whether he has a personality disorder. However, the information in the link you provided did remind me of some other people that I have come across in this community.

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But she isn't too fond of it now, is she? One suspects a grudge of some kind, rather than a more noble cause... I'm sure you two make a lovely couple.

I take it that you won't be coming to the wedding, then? 8O


Looks like I'm not the only one not to attend. Your special friend's still in denial mode.

Oh, well. More wedding cake for me then. :mrgreen:

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AntiHeather wrote:
By the way, the fact that you deemed it necessary to move one of the threads that I linked to - since I posted them - to a restricted-access part of Intensity, proves that you have something to hide. Not that I blame you for making that decision; Alex's father is reputed to be a lawyer, after all.


I haven't touched a post, anywhere. Unlike you when you still had the power, I should add.

Well, someone decided that it was necessary to move the thread. And, if you're going to make a claim like that, I think you're going to have to explain specifically what you're talking about; I performed a number of administrative procedures during my time serving the membership there, and I have a legitimate reason for every one of them.


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