15 Sep 2011, 9:38 pm
anna-banana wrote:
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
anna-banana is trying to ignite a full-scale coup d'état in WP!! She's a double agent for lilypad and co.! !!
Burn the witch! Burn the witch! ;p
Burn the witch! Burn the witch! ;p
yeah we're all the same person, like Fight Club
Spoiler alert!
you mean there are people who have not seen/read it?!
I've never seen/read it. Thanks for spoiling it hey
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
15 Sep 2011, 9:55 pm
blue_bean wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
anna-banana is trying to ignite a full-scale coup d'état in WP!! She's a double agent for lilypad and co.! !!
Burn the witch! Burn the witch! ;p
Burn the witch! Burn the witch! ;p
yeah we're all the same person, like Fight Club
Spoiler alert!
you mean there are people who have not seen/read it?!
I've never seen/read it. Thanks for spoiling it hey
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
at the OP's request.
15 Sep 2011, 11:07 pm
anna-banana wrote:
I haven't seen this much redacting within such short period of time at least since the USSR. aren't you guys a bit too censor-happy?
there's always been plenty of misogynists and sexists around the L&D subforum but not being able to witness the full extent of their idiocy is kinda ruining my day
there's always been plenty of misogynists and sexists around the L&D subforum but not being able to witness the full extent of their idiocy is kinda ruining my day
In other words, business as usual since 2007. Mods change but the overzealous ideology doesn't, it's fascinating.
All I know is that, I learned more from tough love than from coddling.
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16 Sep 2011, 12:31 am
Nexus wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
I haven't seen this much redacting within such short period of time at least since the USSR. aren't you guys a bit too censor-happy?
there's always been plenty of misogynists and sexists around the L&D subforum but not being able to witness the full extent of their idiocy is kinda ruining my day
there's always been plenty of misogynists and sexists around the L&D subforum but not being able to witness the full extent of their idiocy is kinda ruining my day
In other words, business as usual since 2007. Mods change but the overzealous ideology doesn't, it's fascinating.
All I know is that, I learned more from tough love than from coddling.
Well I hate to repeat myself but anyhow:
Its not our ideology its the rules´s.
We have to make sure that the rules are followed, if somebody contacts us saying that somebody is breaking the rules we have to talk wit the member thats breaking them and if they refuse to follow the rules we have to edit whatever part of their messages is against the rules.
As said to anna-banana if you have any issues with the rules you can open a new thread to discuss about them/contact alex.
16 Sep 2011, 1:43 am
Well what about flexibility then? When a rule is being violated on a slight technicality, it can sometimes be circumstantial on whenever or not they actually be censured. You don't just censure everyone on the smallest of infractions, that's just ridiculous. Besides it's not like it's all that difficult to know how to circumvent the rules on here, but then that applies everywhere as you can't stop people being human. 
16 Sep 2011, 1:50 am
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16 Sep 2011, 1:56 am
Nexus wrote:
Well what about flexibility then? When a rule is being violated on a slight technicality, it can sometimes be circumstantial on whenever or not they actually be censured. You don't just censure everyone on the smallest of infractions, that's just ridiculous. Besides it's not like it's all that difficult to know how to circumvent the rules on here, but then that applies everywhere as you can't stop people being human.
Theres flexibility when nobody complains about whatever member´s posts.
Having said that if several members are complaining about a certain member we have to contact this member thats upsetting so many people about the issue and if they refuse to change we have to do the changes for them. If you read my long reply to anna-banana before you´ll see that the tos reminder states that everyone should feel welcome to post on this forum and thats the only thing we are focusing at(again if you have any issues with this contact alex/open a thread about why this rule shouldnt be followed so strictly).
It may seem ridiculous to you but when you have to reply to about 4 pms about the smallest details on daily basis you start editing them because you know that someone will complain about it and everyone should feel welcome at this forum.
We tried circunvating the rules for a while this has lead to chaos on some of the boards and to several members leaving L&D because they didnt feel welcome due to the constant attack to females from certain members
16 Sep 2011, 2:18 am
16 Sep 2011, 3:34 am
hyperlexian wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
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In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
at the OP's request.
Another interesting new rule: that an OP now owns their threads and can have them deleted at will.
16 Sep 2011, 6:38 am
lau wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
...
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
at the OP's request.
Another interesting new rule: that an OP now owns their threads and can have them deleted at will.
LOL. If that is a new rule, thread removals at OP's request and whatnot should only happen if there's a sound reason for doing so.
What the heck was so sensitive/controversial/embarassing about a topic discussing PM rules? I didn't even get to see if anyone replied after my post!
16 Sep 2011, 7:05 am
16 Sep 2011, 7:22 am
blue_bean wrote:
lau wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
blue_bean wrote:
...
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
In other related news, where did that other thread about PM's go??
at the OP's request.
Another interesting new rule: that an OP now owns their threads and can have them deleted at will.
LOL. If that is a new rule, thread removals at OP's request and whatnot should only happen if there's a sound reason for doing so.
What the heck was so sensitive/controversial/embarassing about a topic discussing PM rules? I didn't even get to see if anyone replied after my post!
See? There's moderator flexibility right there, albeit a bad example though. As a bonus that action doesn't fall under any rules (and is justifiable given context).
Moog wrote:
Nexus wrote:
Moog wrote:
Nexus wrote:
Well what about flexibility then? When a rule is being violated on a slight technicality, it can sometimes be circumstantial on whenever or not they actually be censured. You don't just censure everyone on the smallest of infractions, that's just ridiculous.
Are you speaking generally, or is there a particular instance you are referring to?
I'm speaking in general. But here's an example of how that method can be used against you. In some cases someone could be agitating someone intentionally but doing it by targeting their beliefs (as is exempt from Rule #2), targeted person gets angry, get defensive and retorts with a personal attack that's rather harmless but nonetheless rule breaking. Now if you rigidly enforce the rules and the troll pretends to complain, the victim of a cunning trolling gets punished for reacting while the troll laughs. Now the troll also knows you're enforcing the rules and if you try to censure him/her, (s)he'll exploit this exemption in the rules to his/her defence and you'd have to leave them be. That's one method where rigid enforcement of rules fails.
Happily, the scenario you paint there doesn't tend to happen too much here in reality, since we are not just mindlessly enforcing the rules, and we can exercise some judgement about situations, contextual information, and what is appropriate to do.
Being human, we don't always get it right, but at least we are not just automatons automatically banning anyone getting the least bit aggro.
Bans are quite rare normally, and we usually take some time to deliberate in the majority of cases. Obvious trolls and spammers don't need much thinking about.
Some people might take the other view, and claim that we were too soft, or too slow.
Again, we can't please everyone. The middle way is where it's at.
I'm grateful for your response. At least you're acknowledging the issue and are reasonable about it rather than saying "we're just doing our job, STFU", "Read this and go away" or "Go complain to the boss" in the kindest terms. I guess I'm just used to getting jerked around by authority, and people tend to get irritated when moderators don't seem to address their concerns to them as a person, and feel like they're calling an Automated Indian call centre to lodge a concern or complaint about management.
16 Sep 2011, 9:30 am
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17 Sep 2011, 1:01 pm
Nexus wrote:
In other words, business as usual since 2007. Mods change but the overzealous ideology doesn't, it's fascinating.
Hey now
But yeah, I agree of course.
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17 Sep 2011, 5:24 pm
MidlifeAspie wrote:
Nexus wrote:
In other words, business as usual since 2007. Mods change but the overzealous ideology doesn't, it's fascinating.
Hey now
But yeah, I agree of course.
Zealous ideology is a prerequisite for taking on the thankless task of moderation in the first place. Zealous ideology can sustain the bruises, bumps and scathing chastisement from enacting decisions unpopular with those it affects. Most members are moderated by one mod - but a moderator is moderated by all mods and the membership. Sometimes one becomes OVER zealous without even knowing they exceeded the limits of zealousness - as the line blurs when you over work and under play.
to the best of my knowledge, all moderators on this board are human.
