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07 Feb 2010, 3:21 am

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*hugs* I know...I was sobbing too, for quite some time. I didn't do anything to deserve it.

Ana54_Again wrote:
When ShadesOfMe was banned by Lau she started feeling like hurting herself. Me too, but I couldn't do it. I tried, with a pen and then a knife, but it was too gross and painful.



So you ladies are saying that you self harm if anyone crosses what you think is 'unfair' and so everyone must do as you say or you will threaten more self harm? Is that how that works?


Merle quit whilst you're behind. You treat this place like your own personal fiefdom and so I find it a little more than ironic about what you now tell these people about "everyone must do as THEY say". You don't like what people say and BAN!! You need to appreciate that people are allowed to hold differing views as yourself and that lording over marginalised members of society on here and throwing in crappy little digs like the ones you did to these two ladies is not the way to be a [s]human[/s] mod.


If anyone is considered "marginalized", it should be her. She has absolutely no class and belongs in a zoo.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:23 am

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I have worked as a copyeditor and proofreader at various times in my life. The curse of the text-focused Aspie is to notice every little incongruity, logical error, and peculiarity in what I read. I should be so lucky as to translate the ability to spot glitches in text into the ability to spot glitches in face-to-face interactions. Still no luck with that after more than 50 years. Anyway, this post by Alex:

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I am not aware of entire threads disappearing.

Also, Spokane_Girl was never banned.

unfortunately, I am still trying to figure out what happened. The worst part is that backups are 2 weeks stale due to an unrelated glitch on the hosting side that has been fixed only today. Due to the severity of this issue I have had to remove moderator privileges for most of the moderators until we figure out what happened.

Regardless, restoring the lost member / post data will take hours if not days of work and I'm seriously angry especially since this deletion is causing issues on Wrong Planet's performance and may result in slowness and weird quirkiness when people try to access missing data. If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).


Okay, see that bolded part?

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If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).


Now picture that string of text that I've marked in red being reinserted into the sentence, except that the insertion point is placed ONE WORD TO THE RIGHT.

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If this was caused by a moderator, and the intent was clearly malicious, {then} that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).


Words are slippery things, never more so than on the Net where you can't see the expression on the other guy's face. (Not that that's ever been a big help for someone like me, but never mind.) I would hate to think that a previously-harmonious working relationship between Alex and his moderating team could be blown to bits by what might be nothing more than a transcription error.

Comments and dissenting opinions welcome.


8O

The fact that all of SG's accounts were deleted, shows its not a glitch. OJ Simpson's Lawyer couldn't get the guilty party out of this one.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:29 am

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*hugs* I know...I was sobbing too, for quite some time. I didn't do anything to deserve it.

Ana54_Again wrote:
When ShadesOfMe was banned by Lau she started feeling like hurting herself. Me too, but I couldn't do it. I tried, with a pen and then a knife, but it was too gross and painful.



So you ladies are saying that you self harm if anyone crosses what you think is 'unfair' and so everyone must do as you say or you will threaten more self harm? Is that how that works?


Where did you get that assumption from? Nothing they said indicated that at all. Clearly after being banned from a SUPPORT WEBSITE for no good reason they were distraught, like I was sinsboldly after you accused me of making up a suicide thread to "get attention" and that I was "crying wolf". You gave me the whole "did you hear of the boy that cried wolf" nonsense. Suicide is a serious thing. Look at what happened to Starbuline, or have you forgotten?


Yes. I hope Merle can understand that.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:33 am

I remember donating money to this site awhile back and getting banned by sinsboldy. I didn't really do anything that was worth being banned for, but disagreeing with her and asking her why she is allowed to have two accounts on here, but I am not. Her other account is morriganinoregon. It seems kind of silly reason to ban me for, specially since I have donated money to this site and she has not. It seems she bans people for no reason at all, except for the person disagreeing with her or being on another site for aspies. It seems like she's just a troll with moderator powers. You disagree with her and you're banned. Gee, what a great way to run a support website for people with autism or asperger's.

Then there is quatermass, who seems unusally upset at this moment because he doesn't have mod powers. It seems, right now he's breaking the rules of wp by insulting people who are discussing how corrupt 3 of the moderators on here are. He doesn't have the ban power now, so he cant ban you for disagreeing with you, so what he does is insult you instead.

It's quite interesting that makunooshi, quatermass, and sinsboldly are overly angry because their mod powers have been taking away. Probably because now they cant just ban you for disagreeing with them or ban for asking why only quatermass is allowed to have a travel blog stickied, but no one else can. It's only these three, the other mods, such as, lau, dwmom, tinky, and gbollard don't seem to be bothered at all that their mod powers have been took away. They're not complaining or insulting other members, just makunooshi, quatermass, and sinsboldly are the ones complaining. Why? Because they're power hungry

I personally think makunooshi and sinsboldly should be banned. They seem to be the ones who just ban people, for what seems like, their own personal amusement. It seems they do not care that this is a support site, not a ban everyone site that disagrees with them. They're so very selfish.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:38 am

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I did not know he was banned. Whomever you were talking about.


I will remind you exactly what you wrote in the thread. Don't kidd a kidder, S_G. It is one thing to cooperate with a mod and quite another to blow them off completely. You were talking about willfreund1 to aislinn and bluebean warned you not to.

see below:


aislinn wrote:
Hi guys, sorry to bump this up if its old (the first page consists of stuff from 2005), but, isnt this willfreund1 guy a little familiar? Hmm....


Spokane_Girl wrote:
Wow you found him. I have always wanted to read his old posts.


blue_bean wrote:
Yeah, wow, you found him :? Was there any need to draw attention to it though?


Spokane_Girl wrote:
]Now to tell the person who he was here but that thread got removed. I can't remember his WP name. :( Hopefully he will find this one and click it and view this page.

But nothing much to his posts. It may say he's made 60 but there are a lot less than that when you view all his posts.


you know exactly who had 60 posts showing as made, but only a few posts that could be actually read.

This is expressly against the rules of WrongPlanet.net. I have been posting our PMs to Alex and Lau and Maku.


Merle



I never saw Maku complained or QM. Only Sins threw a fit.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:38 am

Friskeygirl wrote:
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*hugs* I know...I was sobbing too, for quite some time. I didn't do anything to deserve it.

Ana54_Again wrote:
When ShadesOfMe was banned by Lau she started feeling like hurting herself. Me too, but I couldn't do it. I tried, with a pen and then a knife, but it was too gross and painful.



So you ladies are saying that you self harm if anyone crosses what you think is 'unfair' and so everyone must do as you say or you will threaten more self harm? Is that how that works?

That was rather callus of you, cutting or self harm is not something done for attention, or as a threat, I do it to feel some relief in my miserable existence, people who cut are being overwhelmed by stressful situations, I am really surprised that you would say this, as self harm is common with people on the spectrum


There are certain people who do it for attention. I've noticed one guy who does, its being "emo". And blaming other people for it. But I don't think thats the case in this situation. The girls had a good reason to be very upset, and wanted this site, as support. Its very clear by Merle's behaviour now, that she isn't fit to be a mod on a site like this. She's not hiding her nasty side now, where as before she was being very sly about it. I think what she said was out of line, and more deserving of a ban, than anything we here have done. But I don't think she should be banned, she's entitled to that opinion, and you guys should just learn to discuss things.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:38 am

Friskeygirl wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Meadow wrote:
*hugs* I know...I was sobbing too, for quite some time. I didn't do anything to deserve it.

Ana54_Again wrote:
When ShadesOfMe was banned by Lau she started feeling like hurting herself. Me too, but I couldn't do it. I tried, with a pen and then a knife, but it was too gross and painful.



So you ladies are saying that you self harm if anyone crosses what you think is 'unfair' and so everyone must do as you say or you will threaten more self harm? Is that how that works?

That was rather callus of you, cutting or self harm is not something done for attention, or as a threat, I do it to feel some relief in my miserable existence, people who cut are being overwhelmed by stressful situations, I am really surprised that you would say this, as self harm is common with people on the spectrum


There are certain people who do it for attention. I've noticed one guy who does, its being "emo". And blaming other people for it. But I don't think thats the case in this situation. The girls had a good reason to be very upset, and wanted this site, as support. Its very clear by Merle's behaviour now, that she isn't fit to be a mod on a site like this. She's not hiding her nasty side now, where as before she was being very sly about it. I think what she said was out of line, and more deserving of a ban, than anything we here have done. But I don't think she should be banned, she's entitled to that opinion, and you guys should just learn to discuss things.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:48 am

I believe it's makunooshi, quatermass, and sinsboldly are the mods that people are upset with because they just randomly ban people for silly reasons.

The other mods like lau, dwmom, tinky, and gbollard do an ok job, and don't seem to ban you just for disagreeing with them. They're more open minded, i believe and understand that this site is supposed to be a support site for people with asperger's and autism.



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07 Feb 2010, 3:48 am

rossc wrote:
Friskeygirl wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Meadow wrote:
*hugs* I know...I was sobbing too, for quite some time. I didn't do anything to deserve it.

Ana54_Again wrote:
When ShadesOfMe was banned by Lau she started feeling like hurting herself. Me too, but I couldn't do it. I tried, with a pen and then a knife, but it was too gross and painful.



So you ladies are saying that you self harm if anyone crosses what you think is 'unfair' and so everyone must do as you say or you will threaten more self harm? Is that how that works?

That was rather callus of you, cutting or self harm is not something done for attention, or as a threat, I do it to feel some relief in my miserable existence, people who cut are being overwhelmed by stressful situations, I am really surprised that you would say this, as self harm is common with people on the spectrum


This is Sins and part of the reason why he is a bad Mod for a Support Forum.

He is a tumour that needs to be removed.


I really don't think resorting to name calling is going to help maters here, that go's for
both side of this issue, it shouldn't turn into a free for all lets attack on all the mods, as
some of the mods here are doing a good job



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07 Feb 2010, 3:58 am

I am not attacking all mods individually. The mods are in trouble with Alex and for probably pretty good reasons. On this they are all culpable. Individually I believe the only two I have taken to task are Sins and Quartermass. They DO deserve no less and are far from "doing a good job" and do deserve what mud is slung.



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07 Feb 2010, 4:04 am

Lau was also ban happy and edited people's posts when it wasn't necessary, just so that everyone could see "Edited by Lau" on it and be reminded that he was picked for a "prestigious" position.



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07 Feb 2010, 5:15 am

orajel wrote:
I believe it's makunooshi, quatermass, and sinsboldly are the mods that people are upset with because they just randomly ban people for silly reasons.

The other mods like lau, dwmom, tinky, and gbollard do an ok job, and don't seem to ban you just for disagreeing with them. They're more open minded, i believe and understand that this site is supposed to be a support site for people with asperger's and autism.


I weirdly agree with your point there... But I don't seem to agree with makuranososhi... He seems like his own person but I personally think he might be pressured.

Definitely keep tinky and DW_a_mom they are very good mods and done a very good job :) they let you speak their point of view.

This isn't an attack to any mods it's just how I see it.

Moderators will get their powers back after this situation is sorted.


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07 Feb 2010, 5:41 am

Maybe moderators are like politicians, which are like diapers... they're always on your ass and have to be changed regularly for that reason. :D



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07 Feb 2010, 6:48 am

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I find it wonderful that, the moment we lose our moderation privileges, how swiftly the membership shows their gratitude to our service. Or at least, I hope, a minority.

When we moderate, we do it for the good of the forum as a whole. I take a utilitarian approach to moderation. That means the strongest amount of good to the most amount of people. If other people are disruptive, and continue to do so, well, we will ban them. This, first and foremost, is a support site for people with AS, not a shooting range or a chance to show off that you or your opinion is foremost amongst all others.

And this is how you treat us in return? You disgust me. Pathetic, petty little minds who cannot get over slights either imagined or exaggerated as justification for doing what you want, regardless of how others feel. You are poor examples of the human race as a whole, regardless of whether or not you have Asperger's, autism, or are an NT.


You Quartermass, are a souped up, righteous little prat. You have this by reputation and it comes through in flying colours here.

You think that your services ought to be greeted with streamer and wolf whistles?

Why ARE your mod powers taken away? Chances are because YOU or one of your mod friends can not be trusted. What's more YOU seem to not be in a position to have helped avert such a position. It is not the only time the mods here have been called into question is it. Far from it. There is however little members can do to address things individually when a mod takes a "utilitarian approach to moderation". That very concept is full of belief that YOU personally have the best interests and intellect for making a lot of crappy decisions that occur through poor moderation.

Tell me about the effectiveness of the mods around Oct 2005. Slight issue with a young man called William Freund. Tell me about "strongest amount of good?"

"You disgust me"? "You are poor examples of the human race" Sit the hell down Princess and hope that you can prove yourself worthy in future to be respected by members here. Where you are sitting now is outside the Principals office whilst he investigates you and your other staff members. You MAY avoid punishment but it is hardly a position of self--righteousness and acting in the interests of all you should be adopting.

Members here have every reason to be angry with you and the mods that have let this board down. A bit of humility is what you need.


Humility? You are one to talk. I was not a moderator at around the time of the William Freund incident. I wasn't even a member. I was made a moderator two years later, around March 2007. Get your facts right before you make completely baseless accusations.

The way you people act, just because you don't get your own way, thinking of yourselves first and others second...I gave you so many chances to improve, and you use them thinking, 'he'll never do it. We're entitled to be on this board because we're Aspies'. Wrong. You are only entitled to be on this board as long as you followed the rules. THIS. IS. A. PRIVATE. BBS. It is designed for support first and foremost. But it doesn't mean that we will support a single person's opinion to the detriment of all others. We try to support as many people as possible. But that doesn't mean you get to be an idiot or a malicious little sod with impunity.

We try not to take things personally, but you lot...that's all you ever do. That's all you ever will. All about you, because you believe that you are the only people in the world that matter. Wake up to yourselves, or vacate the premises. Either way, stop disrupting the BBS.


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07 Feb 2010, 7:30 am

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I find it wonderful that, the moment we lose our moderation privileges, how swiftly the membership shows their gratitude to our service. Or at least, I hope, a minority.

When we moderate, we do it for the good of the forum as a whole. I take a utilitarian approach to moderation. That means the strongest amount of good to the most amount of people. If other people are disruptive, and continue to do so, well, we will ban them. This, first and foremost, is a support site for people with AS, not a shooting range or a chance to show off that you or your opinion is foremost amongst all others.

And this is how you treat us in return? You disgust me. Pathetic, petty little minds who cannot get over slights either imagined or exaggerated as justification for doing what you want, regardless of how others feel. You are poor examples of the human race as a whole, regardless of whether or not you have Asperger's, autism, or are an NT.


You Quartermass, are a souped up, righteous little prat. You have this by reputation and it comes through in flying colours here.

You think that your services ought to be greeted with streamer and wolf whistles?

Why ARE your mod powers taken away? Chances are because YOU or one of your mod friends can not be trusted. What's more YOU seem to not be in a position to have helped avert such a position. It is not the only time the mods here have been called into question is it. Far from it. There is however little members can do to address things individually when a mod takes a "utilitarian approach to moderation". That very concept is full of belief that YOU personally have the best interests and intellect for making a lot of crappy decisions that occur through poor moderation.

Tell me about the effectiveness of the mods around Oct 2005. Slight issue with a young man called William Freund. Tell me about "strongest amount of good?"

"You disgust me"? "You are poor examples of the human race" Sit the hell down Princess and hope that you can prove yourself worthy in future to be respected by members here. Where you are sitting now is outside the Principals office whilst he investigates you and your other staff members. You MAY avoid punishment but it is hardly a position of self--righteousness and acting in the interests of all you should be adopting.

Members here have every reason to be angry with you and the mods that have let this board down. A bit of humility is what you need.


Humility? You are one to talk. I was not a moderator at around the time of the William Freund incident. I wasn't even a member. I was made a moderator two years later, around March 2007. Get your facts right before you make completely baseless accusations.

The way you people act, just because you don't get your own way, thinking of yourselves first and others second...I gave you so many chances to improve, and you use them thinking, 'he'll never do it. We're entitled to be on this board because we're Aspies'. Wrong. You are only entitled to be on this board as long as you followed the rules. THIS. IS. A. PRIVATE. BBS. It is designed for support first and foremost. But it doesn't mean that we will support a single person's opinion to the detriment of all others. We try to support as many people as possible. But that doesn't mean you get to be an idiot or a malicious little sod with impunity.

We try not to take things personally, but you lot...that's all you ever do. That's all you ever will. All about you, because you believe that you are the only people in the world that matter. Wake up to yourselves, or vacate the premises. Either way, stop disrupting the BBS.


Quatermass you can stop bossing people around any time you like. You are ineffectual and impotent here.

Now as for baseless accusations, did I say you were part of the particular moderation team around the William Freund incident? No I did refer to your unilateral approach as ineffective in consideration of that particular nasty episode of WP history. It signifies that when mistakes are made there is often drastic consequences even if the mods consider themselves working for the good of the community like you delude yourself you do.

You are taking things VERY personally and I can not see who you are trying to kid here. It sure is not us. I don't believe I am the only person in the world and be very bloody careful of who you designate as "you lot" because it sounds suspiciously like "you members who disagree with me". Not really the sign of a good mod.

Not that I ever thought you were. There are some great mods here. Amoung which is Mr Mark and GBollard and DW_A_Mum. You are not of that standard and with crappy attitudes like you display here, never likely to be.

Here is another thing to consider just between you me and any member who accesses this. Everyone here (By and large) is on the spectrum. We all almost to a person dislike change and this is a BIG one. We are venting in a few select threads in one single subforum. Therapeutic and natural. You though seem to jump on people here and call them what? "You are poor examples of the human race". You are a pretty poor standard of human yourself aren't you? No that was not rhetorical.

I think you need a little time out QM and a self-righteous readjustment. You are clearly unstable, emotional and no good for this place and if you were not completely up yourself you would know this to be true.



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07 Feb 2010, 8:34 am

You're the one bullying once you have obtained a position of perceived strength. I am merely defending myself and the other mods. If I am doing a poor job of doing so, then so be it, but nobody attacks me with impunity. Whether I am doing a good job as a moderator is up to Alex to decide. Not me. Not you. All I can do is try and improve myself. But I will not take destructive criticism from the likes of you.

This thread is over.


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