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19 Aug 2020, 2:49 pm

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It will be interesting to see if the new mods will include those with more maturity and have a lesser politically left-wing orientation.
It will be equally interesting to see how many of the new mods reveal their "true colors" once they are in power.
Quite frightening when said that way but you're uncomfortably right!
I expect at least one new moderator to try to make a public case for banning his or her least-favorite member(s).


I publicly banned you as well as the entire mod team ( for 20 mins or so ) , it's not something I knew would stand. I doubt anyone else would be that stupid. I suggest you get an email off one of the mods if you fear you may be targeted.


Then again, "Those who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear", so he probably doesn't need to worry about being targetted does he...


I would say no , potential moderators are vetted by mods and Alex so bias , conflict and past history is taken into consideration

Lot good that does when the mods and Alex are biased. Don’t see any non left leaning mods being appointed. So unbiased mod team is not expected. We wouldn’t want a all left or all right Supreme Court.



I sincerely think you'll be happy with the new team members. Wait and see!


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19 Aug 2020, 2:49 pm

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We need people to give bullies the Bristol Stomp.


Here we go again :roll:

What's a Bristol Stomp
Kk?

I have a thing for "outing" bullies, I have had a lifetime's personal experience. I have found that bullies are usually quite cowardly and insecure. If you find their "Achilles Heel" you can deal with them effectively.



Be careful when you out bullies, you may end up with people defending them and condemning you for it.

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19 Aug 2020, 2:55 pm

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Er, can we get back to business please children?

This thread has been hijacked enough for your play.

I did ask a question for the mods earlier if I can find it among this tomfoolery.

This one?
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I also believe transparency is the way forward.

In order to keep everyone safe a new way of working is required.

One which considers the members and mods.

What are the rules, regulations or guidelines used by a mod for their own behaviour and way of working with others?

If there are none then why?

Boundaries keep us all safe and thus all need boundaries.

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Yes there is a set of guidelines for mods and if you wish, I'll take a closer look tomorrow and post a few but it's getting a bit late here and have some work to do tomorrow for most of the day.

Alex now has the list of new mods and he responded very quickly to Walrus. Also, I just heard that an ex mod here with Admin powers might be returning! That would be great as WP had no big hiccups at that time.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:08 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
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Er, can we get back to business please children?

This thread has been hijacked enough for your play.

I did ask a question for the mods earlier if I can find it among this tomfoolery.

This one?
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I also believe transparency is the way forward.

In order to keep everyone safe a new way of working is required.

One which considers the members and mods.

What are the rules, regulations or guidelines used by a mod for their own behaviour and way of working with others?

If there are none then why?

Boundaries keep us all safe and thus all need boundaries.

Page 66. Not answered.



Yes there is a set of guidelines for mods and if you wish, I'll take a closer look tomorrow and post a few but it's getting a bit late here and have some work to do tomorrow for most of the day.

Alex now has the list of new mods and he responded very quickly to Walrus. Also, I just heard that an ex mod here with Admin powers might be returning! That would be great as WP had no big hiccups at that time.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:15 pm

Not he.

Let's wait until I get a chance to sort out a few necessary things here; perhaps by Friday.

I sincerely hope the person returns to our midst.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:21 pm

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He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:



Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O


Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.
This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:25 pm

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He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:

Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O

Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.
This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.

I don't know Booya's story but while I'm sure Ferris always had WP's best interest at heart - he was always the fastest to deal with inappropriate behavior in The Haven - his actions this autumn rendered the site temporarily unusable.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:29 pm

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He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:



Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O


Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.


This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.



^Actually, that was a reference to Donald Trump, were he to be a member here. I forget who started that rhetorical situation... :D

And i agree with IL - plus there were two former mods under whose rule WP was a "paradise, now lost". But it can be regained.

Booya was fantastic and a great loss. But she's busy with family and studies.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:37 pm

magz wrote:
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He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:

Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O

Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.
This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.

I don't know Booya's story but while I'm sure Ferris always had WP's best interest at heart - he was always the fastest to deal with inappropriate behavior in The Haven - his actions this autumn rendered the site temporarily unusable.


The site was never unusable, and few people cared about the reasons behind what happened. But I agree with you, he was always the fastest and most caring moderator, protecting everyone like a bloodhound behind the scenes as well as on the forum. We don't see that level of dedication anymore. Booya was fair, openminded, fun, and completely committed to her job. She helped a lot of people too. I don't know the two former mods who are being discussed but I hope they recognise the level of integrity this site has been lacking since October, and I hope they can help steer us in the right direction to improve morale.


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19 Aug 2020, 3:42 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
magz wrote:
Temeraire wrote:
Er, can we get back to business please children?

This thread has been hijacked enough for your play.

I did ask a question for the mods earlier if I can find it among this tomfoolery.

This one?
Temeraire wrote:
I also believe transparency is the way forward.

In order to keep everyone safe a new way of working is required.

One which considers the members and mods.

What are the rules, regulations or guidelines used by a mod for their own behaviour and way of working with others?

If there are none then why?

Boundaries keep us all safe and thus all need boundaries.

Page 66. Not answered.



Yes there is a set of guidelines for mods and if you wish, I'll take a closer look tomorrow and post a few but it's getting a bit late here and have some work to do tomorrow for most of the day.

Alex now has the list of new mods and he responded very quickly to Walrus. Also, I just heard that an ex mod here with Admin powers might be returning! That would be great as WP had no big hiccups at that time.


Thank you, I am sure I am not the only one who would like to read the guidelines.

Some good news too.

I look forward to seeing both.



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19 Aug 2020, 3:56 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
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He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:



Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O


Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.


This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.



^Actually, that was a reference to Donald Trump, were he to be a member here. I forget who started that rhetorical situation... :D

And i agree with IL - plus there were two former mods under whose rule WP was a "paradise, now lost". But it can be regained.

Booya was fantastic and a great loss. But she's busy with family and studies.


Sorry, I didn't catch the Donald Trump bit. I've had a busy day too. The two former mods sound great, and I know from what I've read on the forum that they were very well respected. I do hope Booya was given first pick of the new mod jobs, and that WP has been in correspondence with her lately. I know she's busy but I hope she knows she's missed, and that her job is still here when or if she wants it. I look forward to seeing the list of mod responsibilities that Temmy requested. Thanks for offering to post it so we all understand the duties and obligations of an effective moderator.


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19 Aug 2020, 4:00 pm

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The site was never unusable, and few people cared about the reasons behind what happened. But I agree with you, he was always the fastest and most caring moderator, protecting everyone like a bloodhound behind the scenes as well as on the forum. We don't see that level of dedication anymore. Booya was fair, openminded, fun, and completely committed to her job. She helped a lot of people too. I don't know the two former mods who are being discussed but I hope they recognise the level of integrity this site has been lacking since October, and I hope they can help steer us in the right direction to improve morale.

I think it would be hard to even guess "the reasons behind what happened" when all you could see were disappearing posts and the whole mod team banned.
For me, it started with this thread: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=381424&start=32 being suddenly locked without any explanation I could understand. Honestly, I still don't get what really happened. Back then, I just freaked out that I didn't understand the rules behind the drastic actions, so there was nothing to protect me from such actions being taken against me the next time.


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19 Aug 2020, 4:18 pm

magz wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
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envirozentinel wrote:
He'd be banned pretty quickly. :twisted:

Even if he was abiding to the rules? 8O

Mods should only be banned or fired if they are not protecting the membership. That's their job.
This was never a problem with Ferris or Booya. They both had WP's best interest at heart, at all times.

I don't know Booya's story but while I'm sure Ferris always had WP's best interest at heart - he was always the fastest to deal with inappropriate behavior in The Haven - his actions this autumn rendered the site temporarily unusable.

He took extreme measures after nothing else worked. He was a mod without mod powers. The real mods weren’t doing anything.
He reached his breaking point dealing with a corrupt system.


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19 Aug 2020, 4:26 pm

magz wrote:
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The site was never unusable, and few people cared about the reasons behind what happened. But I agree with you, he was always the fastest and most caring moderator, protecting everyone like a bloodhound behind the scenes as well as on the forum. We don't see that level of dedication anymore. Booya was fair, openminded, fun, and completely committed to her job. She helped a lot of people too. I don't know the two former mods who are being discussed but I hope they recognise the level of integrity this site has been lacking since October, and I hope they can help steer us in the right direction to improve morale.

I think it would be hard to even guess "the reasons behind what happened" when all you could see were disappearing posts and the whole mod team banned.
For me, it started with this thread: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=381424&start=32 being suddenly locked without any explanation I could understand. Honestly, I still don't get what really happened. Back then, I just freaked out that I didn't understand the rules behind the drastic actions, so there was nothing to protect me from such actions being taken against me the next time.



There have been a problem on this forum for a while with threads being locked because of bickering and disagreements. It used to be threads would randomly disappear so it was tough to tell why it was removed sometimes.

The thread you linked to got hijacked with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatabout ... propaganda.


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19 Aug 2020, 4:30 pm

I find it generally an issue of transparency, including the autumn thing: after offensive posts get removed, you sometimes have no clue what really happened and why some actions were taken.

Some time ago, there was a poster who wrote a mix of very supportive posts to some users and merciless personal attacks to other users. The personal attacks were routinely removed, so after that person finally got banned, many regular users couldn't get why.

Which gives me an idea: how about leaving visible track of mod operations? Instead of removing posts, how about editing them into something like this:

Quote:
Content removed by a moderator (mod name). Reason: personal attack.

That may add to transparency and remove some confusion about further actions.


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19 Aug 2020, 4:31 pm

I think I explained everything in full in MG's post last October.

For a full explanation you will have to become a mod and read all about it in the mod room , everything is there in black and white , I have nothing to hide , I was a broken man and I overreacted.


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