Making it Better: The future of WP

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I honestly can’t remember who was saying it, so I’m not singling anyone out or holding any grudges. I just got a bit scared of the thread as a whole even though I knew a lot of people were making constructive comments. I appreciate that the ambiguity could be stressful for some people so I’m sorry.

Your suggestion that I PM people to get their thoughts is a good one. It shows real wisdom. I should probably do that more often. I guess I’d be concerned about either being seen as nosy or perhaps as domineering, but perhaps that’s better than being ineffectual.

There are times intent/attitude is very obvious to me.
Call it the perks of life experience,
And being super-duper smart in regard to human psychology.

And yes, past history (reputation) is a consideration.

Gut reaction?
"Say what?" Are you a god darn NT?

The benefit of the doubt?
Absolutely.
But if there is an ongoing pattern of suspect behaviour,
There is an ongoing pattern of suspect behaviour.

How often would that happen?
Rarely, I suspect.

This is all academic.
An intellectual exercise.
If the mods, as a group, make a decision,
Let's face it, they aren't going to listen to unofficial upstarts who think they know better, right?
<whisper: even if they *DO* know better. >

I literally dedicated my self to "The Truth", when I was 22, after I broke out of my dissociative "bubble".
That was over 40 years ago.

Some people value personal integrity over and above personal gain/status/power.
I can point them out if you wish.

If you think that is an unrealistic capability/skill,
Well, that is telling in itself.

Why do you think I am doing this?:

I third that.

I have seen this as a default on other websites.
I don't know why it isn't done more often here.

Surely you know why.

I should clarify, I did not mean it was not you implying "Some people", it was others. I didn't like this thread either. Why were you scared?

Have no worries.
Fnord is used to it.

I'm fairly sure an intelligent student could also understand the material and as a result refuse to accept the "truth" of what you teach, too...

Lol lol lol you are impossible lol

Sigh - I read The_Walrus' previous post 3 times trying to make up my mind if or how to answer it.

A few of us deliberately avoided posting links to obvious rule violations or confronting the mods directly about some of their actions that contributed or instigated trouble or inaction about things that have been repeatedly reported. As a mod, you cannot always pick and choose what you like doing, sometimes you just have to do what needs to be done because it's part of your job and nobody else will.

BUT... I also understand how sh***y the job can get and that such confrontation would only put them in a defensive position where they feel they have to justify their actions somehow, even the mistakes. And this will only lead to more strife and hostility on both sides.

I know some of my posts here were harsh, but I held back as much as I could and made a significant effort to try to point out problems instead of making accusations. I'll mention again that in over 8 years here I never got as much as a cautionary warning or had any kind of conflict with any mod, past or present. The only reason I decided to speak up, knowing that it might affect my friendships here and attract some degree of hostility, is the attachment I formed for WP and many of its inhabitants over time and the hope that whether this will still be a welcoming place for me or not, it will still be here for those that need it much more than I do.

I do hope though that after things settle and people feel a bit less raw, some will go over parts of this thread and try to re-examine their own past behaviour and decisions, along with the consequences they had on others in a more detached light, for their own benefit. And while it's not my decision, it would be great IMO if some people would actually receive an apology: both because I'm old-fashion enough to think it's the right thing to do, but also because some of those who left were quietly making the moderators' job a lot easier by mediating conflicts themselves, having a stabilising influence in the PPR and the whole forum and putting a lot of effort and time into helping new members integrate or taking care of vulnerable people in the Haven. These people will be very difficult to replace and I hope at least an attempt to reach out to them will be made.

Because no matter how heated up this thread got at times, most of us really want to let bygones be bygones and find a way to move on/forward in a fashion that will prevent history from repeating itself.

Used to it?  Yes.  I would even go so far as to say I expect it, no matter what I post.  It seems as if some people cannot keep themselves from reacting badly no matter what I say.

Like it?  Not so much.  The only benefits are that I know people have read my posts and are thinking of me.  What they may actually be thinking, however, is largely open to conjecture.

It may be worth a little introspection.

Maybe have a look at they posts you have made where you know people had a problem, and see if there is one (or more) factors or traits that some or all of them have in common, to help you pinpoint the cause of the problems?