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20 Aug 2020, 1:27 pm

League_Girl: A lot of the things you wrote in response to my posts resonate with my experience too, particularly adapting my way of writing, sometimes even changing it depending on whom I'm talking to. But this was voluntary on my part.

Silverlining on this thread: it must be the first time this year when a thread is seeing so much activity I can barely keep up with it :lol:


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20 Aug 2020, 1:29 pm

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...I care very little for someone's intentions compared to their actions and the consequences that result from them. Personally, I couldn't care less if someone causes me harm with the best of intentions, they won't get a second chance to do it. Nor am I particularly fussed if someone ill-intended ends up doing me a favour. But most people don't think like this, I'm aware.


I feel very similarly to you regarding this.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:32 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Apparently I need to get better at playing the victim like some of our fragile racists seem to have mastered.
Who are the fragile racists who play victim?
Hint: Look for posts submitted by, or threads started by people who maintain that: (1) Racism is not a problem, (2) Racist behavior is normal, and/or (3) Racist people are just "misunderstood".

I am not saying or implying that any specific people are racist, but only that those 3 tendencies I mentioned may be common to racist people.
Fnord gets it.
Thank you.  I want to add that while most racist people are not blatant about their racism (those who are may not be around for very long), they will tend to downplay the accomplishments of people not of their race -- they may try to "spin" every issue to put a tarnish on people of other races while putting a high polish on people of their own race, all without actually mentioning the race of any specific person.  In other words, racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.



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20 Aug 2020, 1:42 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
smudge wrote:
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Apparently I need to get better at playing the victim like some of our fragile racists seem to have mastered.


Who are the fragile racists who play victim?


He's referring to user sly.


No, he hasn't said anything of that nature in quite awhile.


he hasn't said anything of that nature at all to my knowledge.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:42 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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There have been several occasions in which my posts have been taken poorly by a reader. I have apologized for the posts and never meant them to be offensive. I have to think very hard to come up with a post that I think cannot be taken poorly. I suppose that is like walking on egg shells. It is difficult for me to express my ideas.


This has been my experience too. Sometimes I get frustrated or annoyed if I feel what I'm saying is misunderstood or misconstrued so I just make a short apology and clarification and disengage. Protracted exchanges and splitting hairs just ended up causing more trouble - at leas for me.

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I think there has been way too much focus on Fnord in this thread. Fnord is irrelevant to the well-being of the forum. Even if I were to stipulate that all the accusations were true, I still do not see Fnord as a reason for the site to be going downhill. So many pages of a thread being devoted to one person is insane, people. (I am trying to figure out if that last sentence is permitted.)


Yeah, I know. One user here was so exasperated that assumed the constant derailments are a deliberate manouver to distract from the core issues :twisted:

And thank you for the kind words, blaze :)



I've learned to change my words and how I talk like I will now say "some people" or "most people" or "few people" or even mentioned what I have observed online regarding behaviors. But someone on here will still twist it and change it to "all" or something and still take offense.

Also, I don't think people should say "some" when it's pretty obvious what they are talking about such as "I have issues with feminism" and reading the OP it's pretty obvious he was talking about radical feminists who bash all men and express misandry. But some users still took offense to mean "all feminists."

I can't make everyone happy and someone out there will still think "oh League Girl is talking about me" and my comeback is 'You are not the only one who does that behavior' just so they know it's not about them. really, I can't imagine writing down usernames all over the internet and listing behaviors they do I don't like or have observed just so I can list all names from all over the internet to ensure someone here I am not talking about them when I make a post here. :roll:

Then we have members here believing "oh members here just change their words to veil their attacks so the mods won't notice."

And I am sitting here wondering, "how the heck do you do a personal attack without doing a personal attack?"

And I am too lazy to go back in this thread to even find user names that made these claims to list their names here so they won't feel I am being passive aggressive. To me it's even ridiculous to even do this. Though I remember Smudge and Kraftiekortie have mentioned saying they want it said to their face. I never had a problem with them though so I have nothing critical to say about them. Though Smudge has mistaken my tone once saying I was sly or something and another user here (who no longer comes here) said she has never seen me do something like that.

But anyway, I have realized people will always misinterpret your words and tone and people will get offended either way. We can't please everyone.

Some, most, lots, isn’t ok either, i was told using them would be in line with the rules, but even using them I still get reported and warned.

I think the issue was it was done like this

It’s real sly of them to do that. The bold seems to be a code
If was like it’s real fnord of them to do that. Pretty sure fnord would take it to be about him why else bold it?


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20 Aug 2020, 1:45 pm

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racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.


As is some of the bullying that occurs


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20 Aug 2020, 1:47 pm

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^BR: you're one of the most constructive posters here.

How dare you?! :twisted:

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20 Aug 2020, 1:49 pm

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Some, most, lots, isn’t ok either, i was told using them would be in line with the rules, but even using them I still get reported and warned.


I remember XFG used to ride you hard on your generalizations , I always thought it was a little unfair but you toed the line and changed your ways.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:50 pm

Some of the bullying could only be illustrated within the specific total context of the bullying event.

In other words, the whole discussion sometimes must be dissected in order to "prove," in some measure, the bullying.

A phrase like "have a nice day," as stated above, could have many more meanings than what is the first-glance, apparent meaning. And many times, that meaning could only be gleaned in context.



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20 Aug 2020, 1:50 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:
Fnord wrote:
racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.
As is some of the bullying that occurs
Are you implying that I am disgustingly overweight?



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20 Aug 2020, 1:51 pm

I've been hanging out here for two months or so and I haven't seen anything I'd call bullying. Of course I'm not that observant according to my wife.



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20 Aug 2020, 1:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Some of the bullying could only be illustrated within the specific total context of the bullying event.  In other words, the whole discussion sometimes must be dissected in order to "prove," in some measure, the bullying.
Yes ... just like entire herds of sheep were dissected to determine the outcome of the Punic wars.



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20 Aug 2020, 1:55 pm

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... I think those of us who have pure intentions should attach a disclaimer to our signature saying so...
Have you read my latest sig line?  It's not quite what you meant (I think), but it expresses my thoughts exactly.


Now I understand it. Lol Yes it's perfect.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:56 pm

sly279 wrote:

I think the issue was it was done like this

It’s real sly of them to do that. The bold seems to be a code
If was like it’s real fnord of them to do that. Pretty sure fnord would take it to be about him why else bold it?


I don't really want to drag up my dark past with Fnord but I think it's relevant. I once posted a meme which had a double meaning , it could be taken as an insult to Fnord or as an insult to Trump.

I got 30 days in the clink for that ( quite rightly so too ) - where's the consistency

Someone posted the same meme and also got 30 days , their intention was not the same as mine.


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20 Aug 2020, 1:58 pm

There are ways to prove bullying----but there are times when one must be an expert linguist to prove it.

One must also be knowledgeable, say, about the idioms and subtleties of a particular language.

When I said "dissect," I should said "parse."



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20 Aug 2020, 1:58 pm

Fnord wrote:
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racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.
As is some of the bullying that occurs
Are you implying that I am disgustingly overweight?


I replied to you but it was not aimed at you, but I get the point you are trying to make and in some cases that's true


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