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Like I said, ya'll don't have all the facts, just all the conclusions.

And? If I have thin skin, so what? And I asses what needs to be done, I do very little on impulse.



I never said the expletives were on your end. I knew they were Alex. But I don't notice him swearing often, so it must've been bad.




I am perhaps too introspective for my own good. But you don't know that, do you? As for restraint, I have considerable.



Neither is avarice or envy. Or acedia (aka sloth), which is boredom, the prime motivator for many trolls and spammers.



I try to make myself suitable. The only other person's opinion I need is Alex's, not your own. Your opinion is becoming increasingly irrelevant seeing since you have this vendetta against the mods who stayed.



No, I already know that. There are people, however, that do understand me enough. You're not one of them, though.

But this whole thing about this locked thread, it's childish, so petty.



Are you Alex? No you are not. We aren't getting paid for this, and we are obviously not appreciated enough. As for starting my own forum, I don't have enough computing knowledge, and I ain't dealing with any off-the-rack forum that would fall to the first spammer.



Oh, so they're travesties, are they? Hmm, I was thinking of calling them farces, except this one hasn't made me laugh yet.

I do not mind disagreement if there is a clearly valid reason. But you impugn my character and capability as a mod based on threats? Threats are sometimes all some people will listen to, calandale. Hints and reprimands do not get through. Warnings and threats do. Simple as that, baka.



I know that I am not perfect, but you seem to either think that you are, or we're irrevocably tarnished. So bugger off and leave me alone.

Sure. But the line is fine, my friend.



Let Alex deal with that. Mods may be accountable to the membership, but only Alex can actually deal with them. So take your kangaroo court elsewhere.



And not just leaping to them, we're talking a high jump on Ceres.....

Wouldn't be certain that you do either.
The point is, perceptions ARE important.
As long as things are kept secret, this is
what's going to happen. One of the consequences
is that you have to deal with the worst fears, rather
than merely the truth. But, then again, some people
DO lie, and that fact is enough to mean that you'll
have to deal with fears anyhow.

Mr. Mark,

I apologize for helping to hijack that thread, that was naughty of me. I have only two things to say in my defense.

1. I did not intend for that thread to go that far off topic. On page 3, I even tried to get it back on topic and that effort was ignored.

2. When I signed off for the night I intended to go back to it in the morning to make a point that actually was relevant to the original topic, but by then it was locked.

It's a trait which seems to cause you to
lose your temper. Not a good one in the
hands of someone with power. I'm NOT
suggesting here that you'd overreact, and
DO anything quickly - but that you're posts
might cause people to have that fear. People
other than me.



Perhaps. It was your skill in doing so, which
I question. Do you actually consider the effects
of your threats carefully? And how they might
inhibit people from making complaints? If so,
you are indeed more in love with your power
than I thought.




Well worth it though. A troll came here to
ask for advice as to what he should do about
the sexual feelings for his underage sister.
I told him to go for it. Wouldn't have done this,
if I didn't know exactly who it was. Hell, maybe
I should have just banned him, but I like trolls.
I also felt that it would be an abuse of my knowledge
to do so.



Ah. Then you should learn the dangers of
corruption. With all your latin, may I suggest
reading Cato?



Oh, don't worry. Pride is my sin of choice too.
I'm just a bit more aware of it.
(and proud of the fact )




See? This is NOT a good attitude. Alex spends
little time here. He has less of a feel for the
current mood of the site than even you, I'd
guess (if he did, I suspect he'd be depressed).
One needs to pay attention to the membership.



If you think this is a vendetta, you're high.
I posted in the SAME manner in the mods
forum, when I was one. It was not quite
effective enough, and I didn't feel that I
could post the things that I was saying publicly,
so long as I was a moderator. In addition, I'm
catching hell over at I2 from the staff for
complaining about abuses of power there.
Standing against unreasonable authority
has been my hallmark. I have little against
you, other than your prissy superiority. I rather
LIKE MrMark, but think that he tends to be too
likely to make the wrong decisions, and needs
to be reigned in. I'm doing what I can about
both issues, with my only available tool - my
posts.



No? I think I have a pretty decent insight.
But, probably just that pride thing. I suppose that
your posts don't reflect your thinking at all?



Oh no. Most of this is NOT about the locked thread.
It's wandered to the underlying causes of that action.
Just a reminder to keep y'all on your toes. The issue
itself pissed me off, but s**t happens. The revelations
of the thinking that the two of you have is ALWAYS frightening
to me.



Why do you crave appreciation?
Obviously, that can't be your major
motivation however. I found the simple
duty was pleasure enough - but I'm a weirdo.



Well, if you took my suggestion, and didn't allow anyone
else to sign up for it, you wouldn't really need to worry about
spammers.



I don't consider authorities exceeding their mandates
to ever be funny.


No. Your threats impugn your character more than
I could ever manage. And veiling them, so as to
avoid Alex noticing that you are ignoring his directive
NOT to issue such is even worse. They have their place,
at times - but they are against your mandate.




We are all irrevocably tarnished,
but by helping one another see flaws,
we can improve a bit.



You're the one who wandered into this issue,
which didn't even pertain to you. And not particularly
to defend MrMark, but rather to attack me, as far as
I can see. You can wander back out, whenever you feel
that you've been beaten enough for your masochism.

Another VT? This is tiresome.



Where do you suggest? THIS is the discussion section
for this site. The place where we are supposed to make
complaints known. I admit that I should have simply
put this in the overmodderation thread. I was actually
angry about this one though, and forgot. That's how
my temper manifests, instead of in insults and threats.

s**t goes off topic here. Until some clear
statement otherwise is made by Alex, I'd
guess that we should expect it. Aspies like
being free.

Okay calandale, I have had enough. I have put up with enough crap to put me in the fertiliser business for a lifetime, and that is just IRL. So I am not going to put up with any more from you. You delight in provoking me.

Deny that all you want, but in the end, this thread isn't about pirnciple, or moderator corruption.

It's because you like to beat off while we get frustrated.

He never explained this, so I will. Baka is the Japanese word for stupid. Calling someone stupid is a much graver insult in Japanese than it is in English, however.

I never realized that it was considered to be such a big deal to go off topic on a thread. This was the first internet forum I ever joined and I am still not very familiar with the unwritten social rules of a forum. I'm pretty bad with unwritten social rules in general, though.

Yeah, sorry. Don't worry, you're fine. I'm a veteran of 1...2...3.... 3 forums before this one. Besides, going mildly off topic isn't a big deal. Going WAAAAAAAY offtopic and completely changing the nature and subject of the thread is.

You aren't the one at issue here.

Is that the reason for locking it? If not, I don't understand well what that has to do with it.


No, I don't want, and neither does calandale or any other who participated on it to be unlocked, that should remain as the way it is now, the issue here is the reason why it was locked, when I got here today and saw it was locked, I assumed the thread was going into insults and flaming, then when I saw it, it didn't look like that, if the reason for it was because of going too offtopic, that should be a treatment to all threads, and it doesn't look like it, the fact that it was yours and you confirmed the reason why you did it, it doesn't look too well, and as I said this looks to be made for personal reasons. But it is not a big deal, no one is getting harmed and there is no victim here for the action, but given that it was you who did it, that could have caused this issue.


Sadly, people tend to judge based on appearance and based on history, even if people change, they would tend to be judged according to recent past events, that's sad actually when is not the case.

Your approach to people on this site make it seem like some sort of narcisism to their perspectives, according to your actions and posts made before and current ones. Given the way you say things, like these examples:

Such statements can be seen like a feeling of superiority on your part and puting down the rest of people, which causes discomfort to some.

I'm sorry I guess I am being too direct here, it is not my intention to attack nor offend, but to explain why such things are viewed like that, which I hope it can be fixed in case it is a misunderstanding.

I also feel like I may not be suited to say all of this as I don't have the ability to do mod tasks, nor I have the experience, which probably I shouldn't have participated on this thread in the first place, but I already said stuff here.

Well, it seemed to me this thread was about a certain action from a mod, I believe there is a point here, if you can forget about calandale for a minute and just see the thread issue, it gets confusing, I am actually confused about this, is there a policy or rule about threads going that way off-topic and being that a good reason of lock such thread? when he or any other member could just have returned to the original topic by posting related stuff, doesn't that sound more reasonable somehow?

Not AFAIK, no, no policy. Yes, probably. But it's happened.

My my. You really SHOULD watch your
temper. I've not been the one to stray
to insults, or claims of this sort yet.

Corruption? I don't think that's the word for
it. The only manner in which I'd apply that
is to claim that the power of the position
has corrupted the holders of it to the point
where they KNOW that they are right.

I'm awaiting my ban for being civil.

Thank you. I'm unsurprised. Too cowardly to
gravely insult in a mutually understood language,
but feeling that rage at his power being questioned.
It fits.



Here, it's not been so since I was present.
There are other places where 'tis indeed
a grave sin. I've been at one such site for
three years (only one warning for off topic),
but that's a commercial gaming site, where
there's a very good reason for enforcing such
rules (similarly with some coding boards that
I belong to peripherally). There IS however a
social section, which is much more liberal - the
one mod who waded into the Off Topic section,
and tried to enforce remaining ON is thankfully
no longer there.