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20 Aug 2020, 2:02 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.

As is some of the bullying that occurs.

Are you implying that I am disgustingly overweight?

I replied to you but it was not aimed at you, but I get the point you are trying to make and in some cases that's true.

Thank you for catching on so quickly. Yes, it does seem that people will see insult in completely unrelated statements, and I hope the message was not lost on others.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:07 pm

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There are ways to prove bullying----but there are times when one must be an expert linguist to prove it. One must also be knowledgeable, say, about the idioms and subtleties of a particular language. When I said "dissect," I should said "parse."

By what parsing protocols would you program a computer to determine that "Have a nice day!" is sarcasm?

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20 Aug 2020, 2:09 pm

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Apparently I need to get better at playing the victim like some of our fragile racists seem to have mastered.

Who are the fragile racists who play victim?

Hint: Look for posts submitted by, or threads started by people who maintain that: (1) Racism is not a problem, (2) Racist behavior is normal, and/or (3) Racist people are just "misunderstood".

I am not saying or implying that any specific people are racist, but only that those 3 tendencies I mentioned may be common to racist people.

Fnord gets it.

Thank you. I want to add that while most racist people are not blatant about their racism (those who are may not be around for very long), they will tend to downplay the accomplishments of people not of their race -- they may try to "spin" every issue to put a tarnish on people of other races while putting a high polish on people of their own race, all without actually mentioning the race of any specific person. In other words, racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.

That's one of the more common items I would refer to as 'white supremacism', and it's one that's readily addressable because teaching the accomplishments of Amerind and African peoples alongside those of the Middle Eastern peoples that Europeans claim the heritage of** would go a long way towards reducing that tendency. This is why some communities are much more vocal about cultural appropriation than others, because they're used to constantly being diminished and not credited for their stuff.

**for that matter I'd encourage the teaching of Europe's deep history alongside the traditional Western canon

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20 Aug 2020, 2:11 pm

Fnord wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Fnord wrote:

racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.

As is some of the bullying that occurs.

Are you implying that I am disgustingly overweight?

I replied to you but it was not aimed at you, but I get the point you are trying to make and in some cases that's true.

Thank you for catching on so quickly. Yes, it does seem that people will see insult in completely unrelated statements, and I hope the message was not lost on others.

Like you said some see insults in completely unrelated statements but it can also be a tactic used by narcissists and learned behaviour by narcissist survivors to gaslight people.

Again I am replying to you , it is not aimed at you. ( this is going to get old real quick if I have to qualify my posts :lol:

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20 Aug 2020, 2:15 pm

It's difficult to convey irony, sarcasm, etc. via written text. This is because you are not actually WITH that person in the same physical area as them.

One must read the whole exchange in order to speculate about the intent of "have a nice day."

I have encountered "have a nice day" said in a:

1. Sarcastic tone
2. Irritated tone
3. Dismissive tone
4. Condescending tone
5. Sincere tone.

And many others that I can't think of at the moment.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:18 pm

Have a nice day Kraftie me old bean.

which one is that 1-5 ?

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20 Aug 2020, 2:18 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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Some, most, lots, isn’t ok either, i was told using them would be in line with the rules, but even using them I still get reported and warned.

I remember XFG used to ride you hard on your generalizations , I always thought it was a little unfair but you toed the line and changed your ways.

And still I got reported and warned. For even saying one woman is a certain way is sexist.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:22 pm

Based on context, #5.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:23 pm

Fnord wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Apparently I need to get better at playing the victim like some of our fragile racists seem to have mastered.

Who are the fragile racists who play victim?

Fnord gets it.

Racist people also do not know they are racist and they will downplay everything as you said. They will also list reasons for their racism always backing it up with logic and "facts."

For example they will look at people like Oprah or Candace Owens and say black people can be successful if they try hard.

Ben Shapiro does a darn good job dismissing systemic racism.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Apparently I need to get better at playing the victim like some of our fragile racists seem to have mastered.

Who are the fragile racists who play victim?

Fnord gets it.

One of of the kids I tutored in History was shocked and appalled when she read the accounts of King Philip's War in 17th-century North America. She was under the false impression that English colonists and Native Americans always got along with each other. When she found out that there was a deliberate and on-going effort to massacre Native Americans to take possession of their lands from the east coast to the west, she broke down in tears (I guess they just don't teach the "dark side" of history in public schools any more); but her senior essay on Colonial Imperialism earned her an A+ and a thousand-dollar scholarship grant.[/color]

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20 Aug 2020, 2:24 pm

Black people CAN be successful if they try hard. Many times, though, they have to try HARDER.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:25 pm

sly279 wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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Some, most, lots, isn’t ok either, i was told using them would be in line with the rules, but even using them I still get reported and warned.

I remember XFG used to ride you hard on your generalizations , I always thought it was a little unfair but you toed the line and changed your ways.

And still I got reported and warned. For even saying one woman is a certain way is sexist.

your card was marked before I became a mod Sly , I did try and make a difference :roll:

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20 Aug 2020, 2:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Based on context, #5.

^ correct

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20 Aug 2020, 2:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

t's difficult to convey irony, sarcasm, etc. via written text. This is because you are not actually WITH that person in the same physical area as them. One must read the whole exchange in order to speculate about the intent of "have a nice day."...

Exactly my point! Although you could easily replace "speculate" with "guess" or "fantasize" and retain the same meaning.

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20 Aug 2020, 2:30 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Based on context, #5.

^ correct

So ... is there an expert here ... someone with an advanced degree in linguistics, perhaps?

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20 Aug 2020, 2:33 pm

Fnord wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

Fnord wrote:

racism on this website is both subtle and insidious.

As is some of the bullying that occurs.

Are you implying that I am disgustingly overweight?

I replied to you but it was not aimed at you, but I get the point you are trying to make and in some cases that's true.

Thank you for catching on so quickly. Yes, it does seem that people will see insult in completely unrelated statements, and I hope the message was not lost on others.

This is what I call a straw man. You write something and someone makes a argument about something you never even argued about.

An example would be on another website, someone posted a video of a truck not allowing a speeder to pass and the truck deliberately kept with the same sped as the semi to keep the speeder from passing. Then at the end the speeder got impatient and drove into the thing that separates the freeway (it has grass in it too) and it caused the wreck of himself, the truck and the semi.

I wrote it took two to cause the wreck and that they were both idiots.

Now someone other user decided to attack me saying "It does not take two to cause a wreck, what a dumb line of thinking" and then did a straw man by asking if they were waiting at a stop light and someone came up and rear ended them.

Yes that was a straw man there because my argument was about playing road patrol and not allowing them to pass and the person playing road patrol put their lives and other lives in danger around them. I do not think that wreck would have happened if the truck man would have let the speeder pass him than speeding up to keep him from passing.

I call it splitting hairs. People that do this tend to annoy me.

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