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21 Aug 2020, 8:26 pm

I only joined back to try and sort out this White Supremacy/Nazi calling nonsense , I guess I wasted my time :roll:

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21 Aug 2020, 8:29 pm

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There are many things which should not be politicized. Paramount among all this is COVID19.

The arrival of COVID19 in many countries has thrown into stark relief issues about the competence of governments and the relationships between their interventions and the state of the economy. These matters are in essence 'political', if that word still means much, and thus cannot not be politicized, if that makes any sense. You will see fierce political debate about this on the right in 'The Daily Telegraph' over here, and on the left in 'The Guardian'. Just an inevitable and inescapable phenomenon, in my view.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:32 pm

That showed the idiocy of the man (Trump) mostly.

Unfortunately, it has emboldened the white supremacy/Nazi element to believe that Trump is on their side.

In reality, Trump is only on Trump’s side. If he thinks progressive liberals will get him elected, he will embrace the progressive liberals.

He hates Democrats and liberals because they stand in the way of him achieving overarching executive power—not because he’s a racist Nazi.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:32 pm

My elderly trauma therapist lived through the Holocaust, and his family was murdered by Nazis. He takes great offence when the word is used lightly, or when random Trump voters are associated with that level of horror. I'm sure there are definitely Neo-Nazis in the world, and I'm not denying existence of hate groups, but I don't believe anyone on WP is affiliated with Neo-Nazi ideology or hate crimes.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:33 pm

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I don't think all the trump voters the first time around would be considered white supremacists but certainly if they vote for him in the 2020 election now that he's made it clear that he believes in those ideals.

Would this be your personal opinion or fact, Alex?

This comment alone, coming from you, could potentially undo a lot of progress to make this place better for everyone.

Well I saw my hometown invaded by actual nazis who killed a girl with a car and violently attacked my friends who were just trying to get home and then the president said there were good people on both sides. The sides were the Nazis (almost all of whom came in from out of town) and everyone else who lived in the town.

You have had an experience which comes from nightmares. Awful and terrifying.

I am sorry you went through this and other people who did.

But we still need to keep our wits about us when we use certain language here to make it inclusive as well as kind as you point out yourself.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:34 pm

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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I still maintain it's all about understanding the rules, reporting issues, and having them addressed as soon as possible.

I'd still like to know if it's personal attack to call someone a White supremacist , Nazi etc just for being on the right

being on the right doesn't make someone a white supremacist.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:41 pm

I believe how policies are implemented as pertains COVID-19 tends to be overly politicized.

I feel like the world must be of one voice when it comes to the elimination of COVID. That doesn’t make me an advocate of a “one world government.”

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21 Aug 2020, 8:47 pm

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In that sense, when I told someone "you're an idiot if you think you have to insult people to disagree," I did literally mean the person I was responding to because they had called me an idiot. So I did a comeback and that person and some other people did not like it.

Some people can dish it out but they cannot dish it back in.

What you describe sounds like responding to a personal attack with another personal attack.

Is it a personal attack or a strong disagreement :lol:

I'm waiting for League_Girl to judge.

I don't care if it's a personal attack. If someone decides to insult me, they shouldn't be surprised what I say to them next. I see it as self defense.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:49 pm

alex wrote:

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:

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I still maintain it's all about understanding the rules, reporting issues, and having them addressed as soon as possible.

I'd still like to know if it's personal attack to call someone a White supremacist , Nazi etc just for being on the right

being on the right doesn't make someone a white supremacist.

I only wanted clarification as a lot of posters have had this insult thrown at them and much much worse.

I'm not even a fan of Trump but the treatment of some members here has been appalling.

A lot of members have left and I suspect the reason this thread was started was to address problems here.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:50 pm

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It’s the evolution (or devolution) of the English language.

An “idiotic idea” can be said to be a metaphor.

“Idiot” has very little to do with IQ these days. It has come to mean “absurdly dumb” in general.

Of course. I'm just explaining that it's still hurtful to call someone's idea "idiotic".

There are far nicer ways to say you disagree with an idea, so it won't sound insulting to their intelligence.

It's like when people are called "ignorant" on here. It surely implies they aren't smart, even though that's not the literal
meaning. People pull out their dictionaries to defend calling others ignorant.

I disagree that it's fine to call peoples comments or opinions stupid and I agree with you there.

To me it looks like splitting hairs when someone says "what a dumb thing to say" and then back pedal and go "oh I didn't call you dumb, I said what you wrote was dumb." If this is how mods and admins think, then many members would get away with personal attacks because they would know how to word it and that was how someone got away with their attack on me on another forum.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:51 pm

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sorry i'm fixing the site so the layout will look wonky for a bit

Thank you for ongoing efforts

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21 Aug 2020, 8:51 pm

people shouldn't be attacked personally. that's not allowed.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:53 pm

There’s a concept in NY State known as “mutual combat.”

Basically, it’s when cops allow people to fight things out on equal terms.

This sort of thing happens a lot within the politically-oriented subforums.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:56 pm

alex wrote:

people shouldn't be attacked personally. that's not allowed.

but calling someone who is voting for Trump a White Supremacist ( who has shown no signs of White Supremacy ) is allowed.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:56 pm

alex wrote:

Most people are racist in some way, it's not a personal attack.

This is not always true, but usually the ones who get offended the most for being called racists are racists who don't realize they're racist.

Oh no, was the warning I got invalid now because I was informed calling people racist is a personal attack.

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21 Aug 2020, 8:58 pm

alex wrote:

People really should just be nice and call out things they see as problems. If you say something about black people that's racist, you're probably at least a little bit racist, even if you didn't realize it.

It's like if you lock your car door when a black person walks by, you may not even realize you aren't doing it to white people.

I notice I lock my doors whenever I see a homeless person but yet I don't lock my doors if someone doesn't look homeless.

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