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17 Apr 2011, 10:07 pm

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I don't care how busy he is. He can always assign someone to handle the forum for him in his absence as an assistant administrator. The fact he doesn't means that he doesn't take this forum seriously as much as some of the members here do.


The last time he did that he felt some things got handled in an inappropriate way. Getting the right balance of trust, control, delegation, and response effectiveness is a difficult task. In my opinion, we live with it as it is, and maybe provide helpful suggestions when we have them. But no one owes any of us this place at all.


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18 Apr 2011, 8:29 am

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I don't care how busy he is. He can always assign someone to handle the forum for him in his absence as an assistant administrator. The fact he doesn't means that he doesn't take this forum seriously as much as some of the members here do.


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18 Apr 2011, 7:13 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
I don't care how busy he is. He can always assign someone to handle the forum for him in his absence as an assistant administrator. The fact he doesn't means that he doesn't take this forum seriously as much as some of the members here do.


The last time he did that he felt some things got handled in an inappropriate way. Getting the right balance of trust, control, delegation, and response effectiveness is a difficult task. In my opinion, we live with it as it is, and maybe provide helpful suggestions when we have them. But no one owes any of us this place at all.


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18 Apr 2011, 8:25 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
I don't care how busy he is. He can always assign someone to handle the forum for him in his absence as an assistant administrator. The fact he doesn't means that he doesn't take this forum seriously as much as some of the members here do.


The last time he did that he felt some things got handled in an inappropriate way. Getting the right balance of trust, control, delegation, and response effectiveness is a difficult task. In my opinion, we live with it as it is, and maybe provide helpful suggestions when we have them. But no one owes any of us this place at all.


Again with the vague details. I do not know what happened last time, but judging from how Alex seems to act, he probably didn't put enough effort into seeking the right assistant administrator for this forum.

An assistant administrator doesn't need to have every single privilege that Alex has ... just enough to be able to manage the forum and respond to the mods and to the members in time and take care of the administrative issues that need to be fixed within a reasonable amount of time.

Look at the OP. He has to wait for a long time just to have his issue fixed. This is ridiculous, especially with how popular this forum is (thanks to its members, of course).



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20 Apr 2011, 5:45 pm

I don't want to get in between the two sides on an old war. I simply stated why I believe Alex hasn't jumped to hand over admin tools; what I believe to be his position based on the little I actually know. It doesn't mean I agree with it; my actual opinion is and will always have to be kept to myself as far as public boards go. Vauge is just the way it has to be.

I do not believe the current software allows for the split of tools it would take to have an assistant admin in the way you describe it. Future software might, and I believe the general concept, of splitting tools in a different way, is on Alex's radar.

I tend towards the pragmatic and the pragmatic, for now, says to live with it. I know that Alex has been working on changes and fixes to improve many things about this site and it's administration, but I've also come to accept that anything that will happen is likely to happen at the pace of a glacier.

The world isn't going to end over someone's pm rights. It's unfortunate, but not critical.


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23 Apr 2011, 2:38 am

I don't isolate myself from the outside world and I have been robbed enough times to know not to trust everyone someone tells me but I still nearly fell for a scam once. If people didn't fall for them then they'd stop trying, its as simple as that. Not just aspies that get scammed. I never fell for those email or PM ones but once at Penn station in NYC some guy was telling me he was from Burkina Faso (his accent was 80% American so I was suspicious) and came to the US to collect the death insurance of family members who died in the US. He said the money would be confiscated if he tried to bring it back to Burkina Faso with him and he wanted me to donate it to charity for him cuz he didn't have the time to do it himself. I rapidly worked out what I'd do if he gave me a large wad of money like that and I admit I planned on taking a small bit of it and donating the rest (not that bad some people woulda taken the lot) but I knew he was trying to scam me when he started insisting on me telling him how much money I had on me so I just told him to get someone else to donate it for him. I'm guessing the rest of the scam woulda gone like this: after I told him I had $20 or whatever he'd say "alright give it to me and I'll put it all together" and if I gave it to him being a scammer he wouldn't just rob me up front, he'd give me back what I thought was a large wad of money then tell me not to count it there because it was a busy bus station and I'd be likely to get robbed. I've gotten emails involving Burkina Faso and large sums of money and never even read them but cuz this guy was telling it to me face to face I found it much more believable for some reason. I think we all learn the hard way when it comes to things like this. People don't get streetwise by reading books or listening to people tell them how it is, you become streetwise from dealing with con artists and the wide range of other opportunists you run into.

As for the idea that people with ASD can't manage in India thats ridiculous. Plenty of people with ASD grow up on the streets of 3rd world countries and learn to survive there. I've been to Jamaica, a country where white people can't walk 5 metres down the road without having people trying to hustle them and I could manage alright there. Something you have to know well though is that friendliness isn't always a sign of good intentions. Seems like common sense but I often get lulled into a false sense of security cuz the person I'm talking to is treating me like a friend. Its all a matter of learning but the problem when it comes to things like this is it may be a matter of life and death. If someone is proposing that you "step into their office" which is down a dark alley at 3 in the morning you never know what it is they're planning and you have no idea how desperate they are to execute their plan so stepping into his office could be the last thing you'll ever do. I find this particular thing hard to deal with because my social skills aren't the best and when I refuse to do something someone insists on me doing I can sound beligerent and disrespectful which can instigate a fight. The best way to do it is act like you're in a hurry and haven't even taken the time to think about what it is they're asking of you.



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23 Apr 2011, 3:32 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
I don't want to get in between the two sides on an old war. I simply stated why I believe Alex hasn't jumped to hand over admin tools; what I believe to be his position based on the little I actually know. It doesn't mean I agree with it; my actual opinion is and will always have to be kept to myself as far as public boards go. Vauge is just the way it has to be.

I do not believe the current software allows for the split of tools it would take to have an assistant admin in the way you describe it. Future software might, and I believe the general concept, of splitting tools in a different way, is on Alex's radar.

I tend towards the pragmatic and the pragmatic, for now, says to live with it. I know that Alex has been working on changes and fixes to improve many things about this site and it's administration, but I've also come to accept that anything that will happen is likely to happen at the pace of a glacier.

The world isn't going to end over someone's pm rights. It's unfortunate, but not critical.


What about TOGGIS? What is he? Just an admin at the same level Alex is?

I have an idea for Alex in regards to the management of the site, but it's just a matter of getting the idea to him and him not tossing it in the bin.
I know he has trouble being trusting enough to give away admin tools to people (either cause (a) they might do harm with the tools, or (b) might take the site in a direction he doesn't like). Why doesn't he outsource the administration? Have a written agreement with whomever the party is about how WP is to be run, and tadaaaa, trust will be no issue as he'll be legally protected by whatever written agreement.

Or alternatively, he could sell the management rights of WrongPlanet.net (he can still retain the intellectual property, the domain, the servers, goodwill)



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30 Apr 2011, 1:36 am

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I don't isolate myself from the outside world and I have been robbed enough times to know not to trust everyone someone tells me but I still nearly fell for a scam once. If people didn't fall for them then they'd stop trying, its as simple as that. Not just aspies that get scammed. I never fell for those email or PM ones but once at Penn station in NYC some guy was telling me he was from Burkina Faso (his accent was 80% American so I was suspicious) and came to the US to collect the death insurance of family members who died in the US. He said the money would be confiscated if he tried to bring it back to Burkina Faso with him and he wanted me to donate it to charity for him cuz he didn't have the time to do it himself. I rapidly worked out what I'd do if he gave me a large wad of money like that and I admit I planned on taking a small bit of it and donating the rest (not that bad some people woulda taken the lot) but I knew he was trying to scam me when he started insisting on me telling him how much money I had on me so I just told him to get someone else to donate it for him. I'm guessing the rest of the scam woulda gone like this: after I told him I had $20 or whatever he'd say "alright give it to me and I'll put it all together" and if I gave it to him being a scammer he wouldn't just rob me up front, he'd give me back what I thought was a large wad of money then tell me not to count it there because it was a busy bus station and I'd be likely to get robbed. I've gotten emails involving Burkina Faso and large sums of money and never even read them but cuz this guy was telling it to me face to face I found it much more believable for some reason. I think we all learn the hard way when it comes to things like this. People don't get streetwise by reading books or listening to people tell them how it is, you become streetwise from dealing with con artists and the wide range of other opportunists you run into.

As for the idea that people with ASD can't manage in India thats ridiculous. Plenty of people with ASD grow up on the streets of 3rd world countries and learn to survive there. I've been to Jamaica, a country where white people can't walk 5 metres down the road without having people trying to hustle them and I could manage alright there. Something you have to know well though is that friendliness isn't always a sign of good intentions. Seems like common sense but I often get lulled into a false sense of security cuz the person I'm talking to is treating me like a friend. Its all a matter of learning but the problem when it comes to things like this is it may be a matter of life and death. If someone is proposing that you "step into their office" which is down a dark alley at 3 in the morning you never know what it is they're planning and you have no idea how desperate they are to execute their plan so stepping into his office could be the last thing you'll ever do. I find this particular thing hard to deal with because my social skills aren't the best and when I refuse to do something someone insists on me doing I can sound beligerent and disrespectful which can instigate a fight. The best way to do it is act like you're in a hurry and haven't even taken the time to think about what it is they're asking of you.


Yes you are right on when you mentioned the friendliness in combination of face to face interaction. This is exactly what made me fall for this scammer, as I never fell for online ones.

By the way, just out of curiocity, what do you think would have been his excuse if your scammer said he needed "20 dollars to put it all together"? I mean, normally scammers "need money" in order to "get an access to something", or "bribe some officials", and so forth. But in your case, the scammer presumably had his bag of money "in his hands", so what would have been his excuse to get your 20 dollars?

Also, if he were to tell you you can't open bag of money in a crowded place, what would have happened if you have responded "well, it is my choice and I choose to take this risk" and then go ahead and open it. Do you think he would physically stop you from opening it? Or if you open it and there is no money, would he get angry and then do something like saying "there is a good reason for me to cheat you since you white folks are all rich and greedy" and then beat the crap out of you?

By the way, my scammer was never angry or physical. He was always calm and collected. But I am just curious what do you think would have happened in your case?



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22 May 2011, 8:28 am

So ... am I gonna get my PM rights?



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22 May 2011, 9:03 am

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So ... am I gonna get my PM rights?


The site has no administrators, so probably not. You could always try sending an email directly to Alex, or phone him via the link at the bottom of the index screen. he's the only one who can do anything about it.


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22 May 2011, 9:09 am

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Roman wrote:
So ... am I gonna get my PM rights?


The site has no administrators, so probably not. You could always try sending an email directly to Alex, he's the only one who can do anything about it.


If the site has no administration, isn't it amaising that I lost my PM rights within at most 10 or 20 minutes. Yet they are not nearly as fast when it comes to giving them back.



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22 May 2011, 9:11 am

Your PM rights were removed in the days when moderators had admin tools. None of the current moderators have any admin tools. You could also try phoning Alex on the link at the bottom of the screen, other than that the moderators can do nothing to help you.


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22 May 2011, 9:19 am

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Your PM rights were removed in the days when moderators had admin tools. None of the current moderators have any admin tools. You could also try phoning Alex on the link at the bottom of the screen, other than that the moderators can do nothing to help you.


Can you phone Alex yourself, seeing that I am in India and therefore in a completely different time zone?



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22 May 2011, 9:23 am

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Can you phone Alex yourself, seeing that I am in India and therefore in a completely different time zone?


Frankly no. I'm in a different time zone too. I don't wish to sound unsympathetic, but you got yourself into this mess in the first place and it is your responsibility to do what is necessary to get your PM rights restored.
I'm not going to personally pay international telephone call rates to try to sort your problem out.


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22 May 2011, 9:29 am

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Can you phone Alex yourself, seeing that I am in India and therefore in a completely different time zone?


Frankly no. I'm in a different time zone too. I don't wish to sound unsympathetic, but you got yourself into this mess in the first place and it is your responsibility to do what is necessary to get your PM rights restored.
I'm not going to personally pay international telephone call rates to try to sort your problem out.


You said I got myself into this mess in the first place. But I didn't KNOW that I was doing anything wrong. I mean I didn't know the guy was a scammer, so thats why I thought the member would get money back simply because the guy told me so. And here is a proof that I was sincere: I lost 8000 dollars to that scammer. So, if I knew he was a scammer, you would think I wouldn't lose my own money to him. I would "only" be asking others to pay. The FACT that I lost my own money to him proves that I was simply ignorant of a situation. For that same reason I was asking others to send me money too. I DIDN"T KNOW that they won't be getting it back if they were to agree.



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22 May 2011, 9:33 am

I know nothing of the details of why your PM rights were removed, it was done by the previous moderation team.

The fact remains that the only person who can currently give you your PM rights back is Alex. If you want the issue resolving it is up to you to contact him either via his email address or by his telephone link. You likely stand a better chance via his telephone link.

It is down to you now.


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