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22 Sep 2006, 2:07 pm

I have not seen any tendicies to bash gays I must belive that this person took something the wrong way


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22 Sep 2006, 3:16 pm

i don't have a problem with gay people at all. unless there really feminine and there a dude, i mean if you are gay and like dudes, don't you think you would want to look like a dude? the same thing could be applied to lesbians, if you are a girl and you like girls don't you think you would want to look like a girl as much as possible? isn't that what being gay is all about? liking the same thing?



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22 Sep 2006, 3:38 pm

waterdogs wrote:
i don't have a problem with gay people at all. unless there really feminine and there a dude, i mean if you are gay and like dudes, don't you think you would want to look like a dude? the same thing could be applied to lesbians, if you are a girl and you like girls don't you think you would want to look like a girl as much as possible? isn't that what being gay is all about? liking the same thing?


I guess you mean the sterotypical gay you see on TV that is flaming like crazy. No all
the gay people I have meet I was shocked to find out they were gay. Granted women
who stray from typical gender roles seem to stand out more. I think in person you would
get along fine with the any of the sterotypical gays.



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22 Sep 2006, 3:41 pm

I think you're mixing up gender (personality) and sex (biological stuff). You can like people for gender, sex, or both. Technically homosexuals like people the same sex as them.



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22 Sep 2006, 4:37 pm

I'm rather conservative, as things go; but I have an aunt who's a lesbian and a perfectly decent person.

I've just always been of the opinion that I'm not gay, and I don't know what it's like--heck, I'm a 23-year-old asexual virgin--so I really haven't got a reason to judge people who are. It's like not having ever even smoked a cigarette, and then putting down people who are hooked on drugs... you just don't know enough about what it's like to really have a valid opinion.

Even some of my more conservative Christian comrades, who believe that acting on your homosexual orientation is a sin, will refuse to discriminate against gays any more than they'd discriminate against someone who had a tendency to shoplift, gossip, or slack off at work (i.e., not at all). People are people, people aren't perfect, God loves 'em all. Once you get past the loud-voiced fundamentalist fringe, Christians are pretty decent about things like that (despite what's likely to be initial discomfort, because they've had little contact with gays).

As always, it's the one in a hundred people who are prejudiced that make everyone else look bad. And then, being so used to the prejudice, the people who suffer from it get defensive...

Hey, we see this every day on these forums. Aspie victims of NT bullying end up being defensive and angry, just to keep sane... it's been years since I had to go through any of that stuff, and I'm lucky to be getting out of that "NTs are evil" stage myself. I can't imagine what it'd be like for gays.

Maybe if that person who thinks WP is hostile to gays could be shown this thread...


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22 Sep 2006, 5:00 pm

Being queer is a biological factor which is either ruled by or influenced by hormones. It may be ruled by a particular chromosome which is then affected by amount of hormones in the system. That's why I personally believe that there is a spectrum of gender role-playing and expression in the queer population. Some lesbians are feminine, some are dykey and some are in betweeny. Some gays are masculine, some are effeminate and some are androgynous.
These expressions play into how we are attracted to each other. This is true for heterosexuals as well. Some women are attracted effeminate men. vice versa

RE Christian acceptance, sorry, was raised in the Church and the only Christians that didn't hate or discriminate against gays were those who knew it wasn't a sin to be gay. Those churches are very far and few in between. I'm being conservative when I say that 9/10 Christians were intolerant of queers. Yes, everyone said they loved "Cousin Steve" when he came out, just as long as he never talked about it, brought his partner to reunions/events and dressed in an "acceptable" manner.
That is like NT saying they don't mind autistics, just as long as they stop handflapping in public, make more eye contact and "they'd probably be happier if they weren't allowed to obsess so much".



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22 Sep 2006, 5:39 pm

I have to agree with what Callista is saying. Yeah, acting on homosexual impulses may be wrong, but people who are gay are still human. I don't believe they should be allowed to marry (but they should have the option of having a "civil union", which is NOT the same as marriage), but they shouldn't be treated as less of a human being because of what they choose for their sexual orientation.

It's all sin, and, besides, it's their choice about what they want to do with their lives and not mine. We'll all have to live with the consequences of our choices later on (whether or not there is an afterlife where we'll get punished is irrelevant at the moment) in life.

I'm one of the more conservative Christians that Callista is talking about in her post. Yeah, I believe it's wrong to be actively homosexual (both for health and for spiritual/moral reasons), but I have friends who are gay and I accept them as friends, even if I don't like what some of their choices are. Heck, I don't like some of the choices I make, but I still accept myself as a person. Why should I treat anyone differently than that?

Maybe if WP is hostile to gays, it's just as hostile towards conservatives... and people who happen to be religious. :roll:


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22 Sep 2006, 7:08 pm

Before this debate gets going: Please remember, whatever side you are on, to respect and try to understand the other people's opinions. Even if you think they're wrong, those ideas are important to them; and knowing them can help you refine and understand your own position.

Don't flame or get hostile; there's no real exchange of information when that happens, and it's really counterproductive. Wait a minute before you click "post" if you have to.

We here have logical minds... let's use them.

End lecture; back to your regularly scheduled discussion.

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22 Sep 2006, 8:41 pm

*scratches head* I didn't even know it was an issue here. The only post I've seen here on WP that was remotely offensive was when someone in the Teen forums started asking about gay people and one person said that it was wrong and that they were going to pray for the first person. Two or three people, including me, jumped on the second person over it.

I'd have to say that I really don't understand where the woman mentioned in the first post is coming from.


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22 Sep 2006, 9:58 pm

superfantastic wrote:
Technically homosexuals like people the same sex as them.
yar wich is my point. if i was a dude and i liked other dudes wouldn't it make sence for me to act and look like a guy? why would i want to be a girl or maybe a girl trapped in a mans body? do you see what im saying brah????



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22 Sep 2006, 10:00 pm

I've seen some Gay Bashing on here, but most of the people here seem to be alright with those of "alternative" sexualities. And frequently, they gay bashers get yelled at. Though not quite as hard as they probably should be.



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22 Sep 2006, 10:36 pm

The queers are as welcome as anyone else.

Sorry, just a little humor to lighten the mood. :lol:



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23 Sep 2006, 2:09 am

Thanks everybody for your responses.....I didnt entend and hope this doesnt turn into a .....is homosexuality right or wrong....I dont want that....thats what started the problem in the first place....
If someone is interested in the topic they can begin a new thread in the philosophy or mature forums...



I read through the 40 pages of the "topic" that was in question and I have to say I felt that WP seemed to be pretty supportive of homosexuality.There were a few people who quoted the bible but even the majority of the people who felt it was"unnatural" or against the laws of God....were still not as biggoted as I have seen in most of society.The individual who brought up the "biggotry" also said some provocative things and insults to the person who ended up calling her names.It may sound worse to call someone a "fat,hairy....blablabla" but its not much better to call them childish,illogical bigot...both may be true observations but have nothing to do with the issue and are only intended to harm.


I know how nieve I was when I first came to WP and found out that some people here were very religious or politically conservative....(what was I thinking,that it was some sort of homogenous hippy commune where every one was going to agree with me because "I" think I am being logical?lol)


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23 Sep 2006, 8:54 am

To tell someone that you are going to pray for them is not an insult. It could be, but it is not always a bad thing to have people wishing you positive things, even if their positive and your positive can't be placed in the same drawer.


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23 Sep 2006, 1:47 pm

DirtDawg wrote:
To tell someone that you are going to pray for them is not an insult.

That's the aspie in you talking. Telling someone that you are going to prray for them implies that they have a wicked soul and will need some extra help to get into heaven.



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24 Sep 2006, 3:26 pm

krex wrote:
Yep....thats the one...no time to read now but I will look over it when I am done with work...thanks guys...I never thought to look it up by that quote....

Tak shouldn't generalize what eamonn said to everyone at WrongPlanet.net. Eamonn is infamous for baiting and trolling everyone he can for any reason he can find. Eamonn is argumentative by nature and likes to make crass, flippant remarks whenever he can. That's why he's been banned from here multiple times and has moved on to a site called Intensity Squared where he and other aspies trade insults with each other for fun.