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07 Jan 2016, 7:45 pm

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Possible. That's why open forums are better - with the general population being able to see and report hate-filled posts, there is no place for trolls, racists, sexists, and perverts to exercise their hate.


I don't think anyone is asking for the topics in that section to be hidden from view or that male users cannot report posts there if inappropriate.



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07 Jan 2016, 7:47 pm

The Haven functions as well as it does because (1) Members in real need really need to post in The Haven, and (2) All members seem to eventually realize that they may one day need The Haven to vent their emotions and/or discuss their personal needs, and if they abuse the "sanctity" of The Haven and abuse someone now, someone else may abuse them in The Haven later.


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07 Jan 2016, 7:51 pm

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I don't think anyone is asking for the topics in that section to be hidden from view or that male users cannot report posts there if inappropriate.


I definitely think it should be members only, not viewable at all to people who aren't members of the forum (edit: I mean who are not members of Wrong Planet as a whole, not the women's section in particular). That would at least be a small deterrent to having random pervy guys end up there because they found it in a google search.



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07 Jan 2016, 7:53 pm

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Possible. That's why open forums are better - with the general population being able to see and report hate-filled posts, there is no place for trolls, racists, sexists, and perverts to exercise their hate.
I don't think anyone is asking for the topics in that section to be hidden from view or that male users cannot report posts there if inappropriate.
It is implicit in the title of a "Females Only" sub forum that males would not be allowed to even read what is posted there. Thus, its contents would be hidden from the view of about half of the members of this website. Posts that might be acceptable to women could be offensive to men.

Is that what they really want? Do they really just want a special place where they can post offensive material about men without any man finding out and reporting them to the moderators?


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07 Jan 2016, 7:58 pm

It appears that a private, for female eyes only, forum is not what is being requested.



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07 Jan 2016, 8:00 pm

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There one other thing to consider: What would the purpose of a Females Only subforum actually be?

Would it be dedicated solely to the discussion of women's health and social issues? Or would it eventually devolve into discussions on the most effective ways to break down and emasculate the male psyche?

Would it include discussions on effective child-raising methods, or would it include the ethics and morality of chemically suppressing a child's maturation to keep him or her manageable?

I'm sorry, but what??
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Keep in mind that the owner of this website is a man, and that he has full access to every forum, subforum, and thread on this website - and maybe even the PMs, as well!

Thanks.
I was in danger of forgetting that.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:06 pm

I only been in the Women's section afew times but there's a chance I may want to go in there incase my girlfriend posts in there or to discuss/learn about certain issues she has. I think the Women's section is a place where men can learn about women's issues & how to be more sympathetic towards women & their issues. It's awful that some guys are making pervy posts. It should have better moderation & members should feel free to report posts that they suspect are in bad taste.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:09 pm

“Members-only” means casual human visitors unwilling to spend the time to sign up wouldn’t access the forum, but it’d still be readily spammable :D And still nothing would stop spambots from reading whatever their programmers want and sending the info to wherever they want before a moderator bans them.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:10 pm

I just want a place where I can feel comfortable talking about my own life issues, without having people intrude on it who have very little understanding or empathy for what I'm talking about. Some men do have a lot of empathy for women, but still don't even come close to understanding what it is like to be female.

Many men don't even understand why we want to have discussions without their input, and I think that's a sign of why the current system is not working.



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07 Jan 2016, 8:10 pm

I don't see how having a space for women only is any different from women getting together irl and discussing relevant issues without the input of men.
This paranoia about 'women talking about men' seems over the top.
Do they realise their wives/girlfriends actually have conversations with other women that don't include them?


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07 Jan 2016, 8:19 pm

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This paranoia about 'women talking about men' seems over the top.


Agreed, and maybe that's why the section is having so many problems, guys are lurking with this paranoid suspicion that they need to keep watch over what is being said there.

Men's fear of women getting together privately without them is pretty ancient and primal, according to some historians it's how freemasonry got started.



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07 Jan 2016, 8:37 pm

dianthus wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
This paranoia about 'women talking about men' seems over the top.


Agreed, and maybe that's why the section is having so many problems, guys are lurking with this paranoid suspicion that they need to keep watch over what is being said there.



Actually most men - confident, assertive men who have lives - don't give a damn about their wives / girlfriends / groups of women getting together to do whatever it is that women do best. The handful of those who do mind are those who are the exception, rather than the norm, and it is because that this pathetic minority seems to be rather over-represented here that we have any need at all to make the Women's forum a private forum.

If that is not possible, I wish Alex (or whoever else programs this site) would add a BLOCK button a la Facebook, so that the paranoid creeps and losers could be blocked, to spare us their bizarre, delusional rants and conspiracy theories. Until one of these options happens, I wouldn't want my daughter on this site (even if she does end up with her diagnosis), because I don't want her opinion of men skewed by some of the DISRESPECTFUL @ssholes that post their misogyny for the world to behold, and on the Women's sub-forum, no less.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:40 pm

It’s hardly paranoia when that’s exactly the last thing that happened in a thread where stuff from another thread was brought up, conveniently distorted and in judgemental terms, and then, when the one being attacked replied, fierce requests to change the rules to exclude men from that forum and to silence him in that thread promptly showed up here.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:46 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
It’s hardly paranoia when that’s exactly the last thing that happened in a thread where stuff from another thread was brought up, conveniently distorted and in judgemental terms, and then, when the one being attacked replied, fierce requests to change the rules to exclude men from that forum and to silence him in that thread promptly showed up here.
It is exactly for the reasons you cited that a "Females Only" subforum is not likely to be set up on this website except by "Gentlemen's Agreement", even if it was technically feasible.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:51 pm

neilson_wheels wrote:
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Possible. That's why open forums are better - with the general population being able to see and report hate-filled posts, there is no place for trolls, racists, sexists, and perverts to exercise their hate.
I don't think anyone is asking for the topics in that section to be hidden from view or that male users cannot report posts there if inappropriate.
Oh, really? Re-read the first post in this thread:
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Is it possible to set up this sub-forum as a place that is only accessible to members who identify themselves as female ? Thank you.
"Accessible" here means being able read what's there, as well as submit posts.

Obviously, the OP does not want members who identify as male to even be able to read what gets posted in her special subforum.

That would be sexual discrimination.


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07 Jan 2016, 8:55 pm

I do believe that sometimes women need to hang out with other women only

Just like men sometimes need to hang out with other men only.