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24 Oct 2019, 11:36 am

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*sigh*

The center of this conflict is, well.....Fnord.

Fnord posted a thread in the Women's section that Booya felt was condescending, and locked it. Skilpaddle disagreed and re-opened it. This initiated a tug-of-war between Booya and SP, which eventually resulted in Booya resigning as a mod.

Unfortunately, that wasn't the end of it. Basically, there have been members of late who have taken exception to Fnord's abrasive manner, and want us to ban him. Ferris and Booya aren't fans of Fnord, and wanted him out while myself, SP, and Walrus aren't comfortable banning someone who technically hasn't broken the rules, but who just rubs people the wrong way. Ferris wasn't happy with that, so The Ferret went feral and banned Fnord and the entire mod team.


He follows the rules while ridiculing and bullying people. He is horrible to people on here. He's been horrible to sly in the past. As for recently, he has been horrible to Marknis too.

If somebody deliberately upsets someone while following the rules, that's black and white to dismiss the bullying behaviour behind it.


Thank you, smudge. After being written off as a human being just because I am not a fan of Fnord, it’s great to see not everyone has jumped on that bandwagon.



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24 Oct 2019, 11:39 am

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So... Quoting a feminist poet caused collapse of the mod system?
That seems to be it right there. Someone decided that their suspicion of the alleged motive behind it was sufficient evidence to close it and issue to me a warning for posting it. Never mind asking me what the real motive was. Never mind clicking on the link to read about the author of the poem. Never mind any sense of "due process".

No, someone self-righteously assumed that my "past record" was sufficient "evidence" to "prove" hostile intent where none exists.

So let's round Fnord up with the usual suspects, skip the trial, and haul him off to Guantanamo for a little waterboarding, eh?


:roll:



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24 Oct 2019, 11:42 am

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... It seems pretty obvious to me that maybe you should consider refining your posting style some. People tend to craft the reputation they have.
Did you ever say that to Ferris? To Booyakasha? To anyone else who lies about being a victim of my alleged "motives"?



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24 Oct 2019, 11:45 am

Fnord wrote:
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So... Quoting a feminist poet caused collapse of the mod system?
That seems to be it right there. Someone decided that their suspicion of the alleged motive behind it was sufficient evidence to close it and issue to me a warning for posting it. Never mind asking me what the real motive was. Never mind clicking on the link to read about the author of the poem. Never mind any sense of "due process".

No, someone self-righteously assumed that my "past record" was sufficient "evidence" to "prove" hostile intent where none exists.

So let's round Fnord up with the usual suspects, skip the trial, and haul him off to Guantanamo for a little waterboarding, eh?


:roll:


Didn't the guy speaking for Ferris say that reports against you were piling up regarding that thread (and others)? And that Ferris has screenshots of them to prove it?



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24 Oct 2019, 11:48 am

I've been on the forum just about 2 years now. Fnord has a manner that bothers a lot of people, but he is not a troll or trying to manipulate people. He has some good advice. He should not be banned because some or even "many" people have complained.

We are all autistic. That means we have impaired social interactions. It also means we have impaired ability to figure out what someone else means. It is presumptuous for anyone besides Fnord to determine what Fnord means or is thinking.

We all write posts based on what we know, what has worked or not worked in our experience. Many posters write from a position of "I know the right answer." Sometimes when I look back at my own posts, I see I could have been more understanding of different points of view. There are other posters who routinely demean others' points of view. Yet they seem to be tolerated.

Ferris is a good person, regardless of what happened. As are the rest of the mods. We need to thank them for all they have done and continue to do. No one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes.

Thank you so much to SP, XFG, walrus, enviro, booey, B19, ferris. I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the hard work that goes into the tough calls.


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24 Oct 2019, 11:48 am

So many interesting things happen outside of PPR, I should spend more time outside of the PPR basement.


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24 Oct 2019, 11:52 am

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So many interesting things happen outside of PPR, I should spend more time outside of the PPR basement.
Baseless suspicion, false accusations, conspiracies, bloodless coup attempts, rumor, innuendo …

Who needs PP&R, anyway?

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24 Oct 2019, 11:55 am

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Who needs PP&R, anyway?

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Heh. It has its charms.


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24 Oct 2019, 11:57 am

A friendly reminder to people that the OP was asking for some peace and calm.
:heart:

This was not to the last few posts. I can't even get anything written before it is third or more in line


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24 Oct 2019, 11:58 am

Mikah wrote:
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Who needs PP&R, anyway?
Heh. It has its charms.
I suppose so …

I prefer a good paintball game, myself.



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24 Oct 2019, 12:00 pm

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A friendly reminder to people that the OP was asking for some peace and calm.
If that includes sniping away at Fnord for no valid reason, then that's exactly what's been delivered.



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24 Oct 2019, 12:01 pm

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So in essence there is nothing wrong with the content of Fnord's thread but knowing Fnord's long posting and warning history and his posting style it had motive.

This is exactly what triggered me in the whole story - a thread being locked not because of its content but because the person who posted it apparently has too many enemies.

By the way... cheers! :drunken: viewtopic.php?t=381627&p=8371892#p8371892



But Fnord ( take a sip ) doesn't have enemies
Just a mob of people who believe everything he does is ill willed and get offended by his every statement, no matter how innocent?
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( well maybe two vulnerable members ) , he has members who don't agree with his methods of flaunting / bending the rules , covert attacks and constantly getting away with it ( I could list many , many examples of this but I won't , this is not witch hunt. ). He does give sound advice occasionally and is a valued member of the forum 50% of the time , but if he could just have a little empathy sometimes ( I know it may be difficult for him to put himself in others people shoes but not everyone here has been able to be as successful as him in life due to our afflictions , not everyone can walk it off , get over it , move on ).

Aren't you expecting the impossible?
What I've found possible with Fnord (cheers!) is clarification: every time I found his statement offensive, I asked if he meant <my offensive interpretation>. We were always able to sort it out peacefully.
By the way, I volunteer to mediate.


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24 Oct 2019, 12:04 pm

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A friendly reminder to people that the OP was asking for some peace and calm.
If that includes sniping away at Fnord for no valid reason, then that's exactly what's been delivered.


I don't know what that means. I was hoping to stop the sniping.

I don't like the mob mentality here either, mags.


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24 Oct 2019, 12:11 pm

magz wrote:
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So in essence there is nothing wrong with the content of Fnord's thread but knowing Fnord's long posting and warning history and his posting style it had motive.

This is exactly what triggered me in the whole story - a thread being locked not because of its content but because the person who posted it apparently has too many enemies. This means, if people don't like you, you can't do anything innocent, right? Whatever you do, there is ill intention behind it, right?
I have been in such situation IRL. Repetaedly.
This is why I got very triggered.


This is a problem for me too - IMO popularity shouldn't play a role in such things.

I'm uncomfortable with the way this whole thing is made into being just about Fnord (sorry can't drink right now). He's not the only one walking the line and he should be moderated in the same way anyone else is. There have also been too many instances where people openly attack seemingly innocent bystanders during such exchanges - the rest of us have no idea if there was any provocation, the history between people here or if anything is done about... basically anything. You have to contact other members if a regular gets banned and rely on rumours and gossip 8O - I hate doing that. Due to the lack of transparency in (some) of the moderation, all some of us can see is the same people breaking or skirting the rules with impunity.

What confuses me the most about the current moderation is that it has been openly stated that each mod does their own thing without consulting or getting input from others and there seems to be little if any cohesion/consistency in how each of them interprets and enforces the rules. Some seemingly show fairly consistent bias when dealing with certain subjects or members. People have been banned without even being told why - and this is an autism forum 8O This has created strife both amongst themselves and with the membership.

Of course, Alex's absence plays a bit part, some mods don't have the time or interest anymore and so on, but this is the situation the rest of us have to deal with and Ferris was the first one in a long time to try to change it.

When I joined, this was handled in a very different fashion and the main reason I would normally contact Ferris when I had a problem here was that he would at least be straight-forward with me, while still respecting other people's privacy. All I can do now if I still come here will be to mostly ignore rule-breaking like half of the membership already does.


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24 Oct 2019, 12:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
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A friendly reminder to people that the OP was asking for some peace and calm.
If that includes sniping away at Fnord for no valid reason, then that's exactly what's been delivered.


Personally I do not dislike you. But I do know that you rub people the wrong way and plain piss them off at times. So yes there seems to be a valid reason for the feedback you get.



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24 Oct 2019, 12:15 pm

I don't know Fnord personally, and I'm not psychic, so I can't tell what his "true intentions" are.

He's blunt, abrasive, and advocates for people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. You can say that he could try having more empathy, but, on the same note, you could suggest that some people try being less sensitive.

I'm not comfortable banning anyone because some people don't like their personality or opinions. I'm even less comfortable banning people on the basis of some sort of popularity vote.


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