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22 Aug 2020, 5:10 am

envirozentinel wrote:
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Thank you, this has been the purpose of this thread from the start and some people here really made an effort to mend the fences and find solutions.


I didn't.
I came to poke fun at Fnord. Image



"Poking fun" is NOT a good phrase to use. That's what NTs so often do with us. I saw the thing between you and Fnord as a humorous exchange. Laugh with him, not at him! :shameonyou:


Say what? :scratch:



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22 Aug 2020, 5:11 am

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If someone calls "you" a Racist,
And "you" are offended by being called a Racist,
And yet they persist in saying "you" are a Racist,
While there is no evidence that "you" are a Racist,
The intent is to offend. 8)


However, if someone calls a poster racist because they insist on expressing racist opinions and gaslighting everyone when called on it, they're still a racist but now also a dishonest bully (at least when they attempt to use the mods as a weapon against people who have noticed how their posts read). Not agreeing that one is racist doesn't automatically mean that one isn't racist. Not self-identifying as a white supremacist or western chauvinist doesn't inherently disqualify one from counting (those two are largely synonymous but splitting hairs isn't actually a defence if it passes the duck test).


I know who I am, and I am not a racist.

There are *considerations* that can be made because a logical, intelligent person thinks critically, despite the rabid howling groupthinking lynch mob's objections.
Simple speculation often gives our social ferals the excuse to come out with torches and pitchforks, however.

In other words,
I haven't been into the PPR forum for ages, darling. :mrgreen:


I know you haven't and please don't read too much between the lines. I acknowledge my own racism, and there does appear to be a tendency among those who don't to be much more readily offended by having the term applied to them, but if I would call me racist, do you doubt that I would call you it too?


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22 Aug 2020, 5:12 am

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Alex: Because you haven't been here in a while, you might not be aware of how things degenerated lately. Most of us are here because we're autistic and many of us aren't even American. I block everything about American politics right now and don't set foot in the PPR.

Yet, these feuds and petty grudges created on political grounds have been spilling all over the forum, including the Haven and the rest of us can't use the forum for its intended purpose without every other thread being derailed into endless, repetitive and violent arguments and downright harassment (some people were indeed threatened with physical violence). It's enough to disagree with someone on non-political issues to be called a snowflake, a Nazi or even a racist.

There has also been a serious problem with the way very young people and those lower functioning are being treated, which included various forms of invalidation, insults and being told to their faces that their opinions and experiences don't matter due to their age or level of impairment.

So a lot of people left or found a home on other Autistic fora. And it's usually the polite, articulate ones who contributed greatly to keeping this place together.

Don't you think these are serious issues? Do you want non-Americans and those who refuse to participate in this circus and use this place for its intended purpose to just leave?


Well i think we should do whatever we can to stop that from happening to be honest.

I'm glad this exchange took place, this is a good point to move forward from.

To view this place as a community, and to focus on solutions for the whole membership will require compromise.

As a European I believed that I was included meaningfully, ive realised that this has not been the case.

It's good to know that action will be taken to ensure that non American Autistic people wont continue to be pushed out and treated as less valued or second class Autistic members because of the location we post from.


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22 Aug 2020, 5:13 am

Phew,
It took half a day,
But I finally finished. 8)



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22 Aug 2020, 5:17 am

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Phew,
It took half a day,
But I finally finished. 8)

Half a day became a few hours powered by coffee :lol:


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22 Aug 2020, 5:29 am

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I feel it’s a functioning site now.

We just have to iron things out.

I’ve had racist things done to me....and I’ve also benefited from “white privilege.” Getting and keeping my job and apartment has had nothing to do with “white privilege,” though.

It’s nonsense to believe that an oppressed race cannot themselves be racist.



No one has ever said the oppressed can't be prejudice. When they say they can't be racist, what they mean is their prejudice over people have no power. Racism holds power. If a black person or some other minority is prejudice about white people, we are not oppressed.

While many more black people are oppressed then white people individual white people can be oppressed. Individual white people can be oppressed and individual black people can be racist.

Oxford definition of racism
“ prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.“

By definition saying only white people can be racist is a racist statement in that it ascribes a negative characteristic to one race.

In regards to an earlier post of yours, yes people absolutely use words and phrases differently then dictionary definitions. That does not make them correct. For instance despite dictionary and professional definitions of Autism autistic is often conflated with intellectual disability, ie ret*d.


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22 Aug 2020, 5:40 am

Amity wrote:
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Phew,
It took half a day,
But I finally finished. 8)

Half a day became a few hours powered by coffee :lol:


Move along people, this spoiler is only for Amity. 8)
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I go nutzo when I drink too much caffeine, seriously. I am very sensitive to it. I have studied/researched the effects and it essentially heightens the entire emotional spectrum. Not a good idea if you aren't in a happy place. ;) I have had too much today, as you might have guessed. :hic:
Do you think anyone else is reading this spoiler? :scratch:



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22 Aug 2020, 5:40 am

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I don't care if it's a personal attack. If someone decides to insult me, they shouldn't be surprised what I say to them next. I see it as self defense.

So you don't care about breaking the rules after someone else broke them first?

Precisely, Alex should add to the rules "no self defense, please use the mods against your attacker to get them into trouble." :mrgreen:

Crap, I think I just tipped my enemies off on how to get rid of me. :lol:

That would be redundant, as it would translate to "no breaking rules, even if in (perceived) self defence."

We can of course make a heap of "no breaking rules" rules but it wouldn't change anything, would it?


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22 Aug 2020, 5:46 am

magz wrote:
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I don't care if it's a personal attack. If someone decides to insult me, they shouldn't be surprised what I say to them next. I see it as self defense.

So you don't care about breaking the rules after someone else broke them first?

Precisely, Alex should add to the rules "no self defense, please use the mods against your attacker to get them into trouble." :mrgreen:

Crap, I think I just tipped my enemies off on how to get rid of me. :lol:

That would be redundant, as it would translate to "no breaking rules, even if in (perceived) self defence."

We can of course make a heap of "no breaking rules" rules but it wouldn't change anything, would it?


There *has to* be some leeway.
The main thing is that decisions need to be equitable/impartial/consistent.



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22 Aug 2020, 5:58 am

Pepe wrote:
Amity wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Phew,
It took half a day,
But I finally finished. 8)

Half a day became a few hours powered by coffee :lol:


Move along people, this spoiler is only for Amity. 8)
Show Spoiler
I go nutzo when I drink too much caffeine, seriously. I am very sensitive to it. I have studied/researched the effects and it essentially heightens the entire emotional spectrum. Not a good idea if you aren't in a happy place. ;) I have had too much today, as you might have guessed. :hic:
Do you think anyone else is reading this spoiler? :scratch:

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lol funny skunk, I need it just to wake up and become hooman, 3 coffees usually, I was like this in the morning til I discovered the caffeine: :jester: :lol: :mrgreen:


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22 Aug 2020, 6:09 am

Pepe wrote:
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I don't care if it's a personal attack. If someone decides to insult me, they shouldn't be surprised what I say to them next. I see it as self defense.

So you don't care about breaking the rules after someone else broke them first?

Precisely, Alex should add to the rules "no self defense, please use the mods against your attacker to get them into trouble." :mrgreen:

Crap, I think I just tipped my enemies off on how to get rid of me. :lol:

That would be redundant, as it would translate to "no breaking rules, even if in (perceived) self defence."

We can of course make a heap of "no breaking rules" rules but it wouldn't change anything, would it?

There *has to* be some leeway.
The main thing is that decisions need to be equitable/impartial/consistent.

Yes, there has to be some leeway, we are living creatures, not digital machines (except of you, of course).

I was thinking about the "self defence" thing.
In real life, breaking law in self defence is permitted because you need to act immediately when your life, health or property is immediately threatned. If you didn't hit that guy with a knife, he could have broken your back before the police had time to do anything.
In internet communities, such situations are unlikely. No one's life, health or property is in immediate danger when you refrain from calling an idiot an idiot.


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22 Aug 2020, 7:19 am

This thread is 105 pages old and Wrong Planet hasn't changed yet.I could have told you 105 pages ago WP will never change :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:


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22 Aug 2020, 7:22 am

it was still worth a try, no? maybe it'll change in the next 105 pages. :)



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22 Aug 2020, 7:25 am

Anyone else notice that while every criticism of Trump, fair or ludicrous, is allowed, even encouraged, any criticism of Biden is scrutinized?

In fact, if you begin to criticize the Democratic choice, certain moderators will materialize and begin to "put you in your place", something which I frankly had not noticed in the Trump threads.

Even worse...certain of the moderators will bait you, perhaps hoping to zap you later for some infraction. Here are examples:

...is misrepresentations of decades-old policies all you have?

...It’s not quite “Kamala Harris is bad because she might be descended from a slave owner” but it’s heading in that direction.


...Generally I find people raising the "you're not American" line end up embarrassing themselves in short order.

Now, I am not going to tussle with a moderator, no matter what their current status. So they "take off their hat" to engage in your thread, why would you argue with them knowing that they can zap you in a different thread? But this does not strike me as fair, especially since, as I have already noted, you can post literally anything negative about Donald Trump and nothing happens to you (except perhaps applause). And as a person that is fairly new to Wrong Planet, I found the "moderator" tussles to be disconcerting.


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22 Aug 2020, 7:59 am

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it was still worth a try, no? maybe it'll change in the next 105 pages. :)
My grandfather on my dads side started this thread,his birth date is unknown as either 1899 or 1900 because he lied about his age to enter WW1.

Great thread grampa :mrgreen:


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