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So people should just tolerate racists and xenophobics and homophobics, etc without avoiding them?

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More thought policing. Also, your position is explicitly bigoted, which would make it okay to be bigoted against you, by your own logic.


You are free to associate or not as you see fit. You are talking about censorship and attacking peoples jobs for having unapproved thoughts. And calling it tolerance.

There was one person who I recall, who felt there was no systemic racism in Canada. FXE and I spent a long time explaining otherwise to the poster, who eventually conceded that our evidence was sound. I can't remember anyone else saying there is no systemic racism. If there was such a comment, I hope you reported it and that the mods dealt with that issue. As for numbers of people killed by cops, I'm not a statistician but I believe the issue is disproportionate, illegal, and racist brutality by cops, regardless of the numbers in any given community at any given time. I've yet to see anyone suggest that racist police brutality isn't a problem, but again please ensure this has been reported when it occurs.

Racial color blindness. Many of us have been guilty of it, me included. I used to think skin color was just like different hair color or eye color but instead that itself was racism because I was denying the real issues they go through due to systemic racism and implicit bias they always have to face from people. Plus people of color want you to knowledge their skin color and get offended when you tell them "I don't see color."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_bli ... sification)

https://www.oprahmag.com/life/relations ... th-racism/

https://www.apa.org/pubs/books/The-Myth ... Sample.pdf

https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication ... 1eff59.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jetdCVgT3bY


Sly, statistics can be skewed. They are not taking into account why white people are shot and black people and people of other color. I can bet that white people who are shot by cops, most of it was justified vs a black person being shot and most of the time, a black person being killed was unjustified. This is also an example of racism by downplaying this issue.

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I usually don't report people but maybe I should start reporting users here when they post anything racist and stuff. But I am always worried I will annoy the mods.

Please, League_Girl and Sly, don't let this thread get hijacked by a discussion that belongs to PPR.

I hope most members have been watching the intellectual roundtables posted by techstep, regarding American politics, reparations, and the state of race relations in 2020.

Perhaps everyone who opted to skip these podcasts, could set aside an hour to learn more about the issues.

This does relate to PPR but it will go a long way toward settling some of the misconceptions central to this discussion.

So you’re saying white people are all bad people? That’s racist.

Everyone see this?

Seriously swap races in what you said and read it again.
Guess all those disabled white people deserved to die right. But a black gang member who killed innocent kids didn’t.

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And this my friends is the very root of the problem

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As magz says - please don’t use this thread to air your own political grievances. It doesn’t matter “who started it”.

Not OK: “you’re racist”

OK: “that’s racist”

There are of course exceptions, but instead of attacking people, name their behaviour.

I actually think we’re pretty good at this, as a userbase.

Where we sometimes struggle is on the generalisations. We don’t see many simple “conservatives are stupid” type attacks but sometimes there are blurred lines between attacks on an ideology and on the followers of that ideology.

Also sometimes you’ll get users saying “I think this because I am a critical thinker” or some such, suggesting that their opponents aren’t without outright stating it. Maybe that’s not OK.

What about “I think this because of my experience with X” - is that not OK because it suggests other people don’t have experience? My take is that while those sorts of claims are sometimes (but not always) obnoxious, they’re probably not something that requires mod intervention unless they’re intended to be belittling. I think a good example of this done right is when magz talks about her experience of growing up in Poland, and how she doesn’t want to recreate certain things. Or sometimes someone will use their education to support a statement of fact they are making (“as part of my PhD in Medieval history, I read some primary sources which said...”). On the other hand I’ve seen users just try to use their age or experience to justify a claim without supporting evidence (“I’m 96 and I was born in Cambodia, and let me tell you, healthcare should not be free!”) and this is obnoxious - but unless it’s intended to be belittling then it probably doesn’t require mod action.

Where did I ever support to banning guns? Unless you didn't literally mean me.

I believe in gun control, there is a difference. Gun control does not mean banning guns. We have to take a test to get our driver's license so it should be the same for gun ownership. You even said you were worried about a unstable person shooting you in the streets of Seattle. This is what gun control is about so that unstable person won't have a gun and kill you with it.



Sure, they are not hurting anyone just as long as it's consensual. I never understood why people are against it. Though I would never be attracted to my family members nor have a relationship with them. I try to keep an open mind and ask myself is this person hurting anyone what they are doing? If not, why am I judging?

I used to be meh about gay marriage and didn't understand the big deal about it until I learned what benefits you get when you are married so I then understood the beef about gay marriages and why gays were fighting for it.



And I believe people who express these thoughts have also found themselves to be fired or be shunned or lost friends over it and they even get banned from here too for expressing this view. I have not gone as far to say this should be outlawed because if we outlaw this, then what else would we be outlawing?

Remember freedom of speech just keeps you from getting arrested and going to jail for it. In some EU countries, you can get arrested and go to jail for denying the Holocaust because they have a law against it. Germany being one of them. But however, businesses are free to fire you for this and websites are free to suspend your account for it too.



Nope and this would be an example of a gun nutter because they feel threatened by the thought of gun control. If they are stable enough to own a gun, why would they feel threatened by this? Did I ever say my boss or business owner shouldn't own a gun?

There was a man on Reddit who was refusing to give up his from for his new baby and his hobby was guns and he was also refusing to lock them away and practice gun safety for when the child comes and it was nice seeing gun owners calling this person out and telling him he is the reason for people wanting gun control. They were also telling him they were questioning rather he should have fire arm and rather he is fit enough to have them and they worry for his upcoming child. And this was coming from people who own guns and grew up around guns and their parents practiced gun safety with them around. So yeah I can see someone like this man feeling threatened about gun control.



Would you be okay with this?

The right wing are totally okay with businesses discriminating people for any reason even if they are racist or homophobic because they believe "it's their business so it's their right even if I don't agree with them" so they endorse this. I have seen them expressing this view online.



I totally agree here.

Sorry, I will stop and Sly may reply and I won't say anything else to him. He is free to PM me though if he wants to continue this discussion between us just as long as it stays civil between us.

You are right, Sly, you did not start it and it is not your fault thaht the discussion drifted into unwanted regions.
You can help us get it back on track and I say: please, do your part of helping.

I'm wondering if a mod can move off topic posts to another thread. That could be helpful in situations like that.