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I agree. This isn’t about Sly. I do think non-black using the N word can be appropriate in very limited circumstances (quotation where substitution is inappropriate, dramatic performances, and maybe in very close social circles). I think the specific use case that Alex criticised was inappropriate and insensitive but not necessarily indicative of racist intent.

(Equally, I can understand why Alex would be frustrated at discovering that sort of thing was being said)

What I do have a problem with is when people are not willing to consider context for a term like “racist” but are willing to consider it for that word. It’s a double standard.

Could you please link the song for us? I mean that sincerely. There was no reference to it being a song and I'm curious to hear it. Maybe you could put it in the songs thread. I'm sorry if you felt bullied. I am a rule follower and I reported incidents which broke the rules. Most of the things I reported were slights against me in The Haven, and they were nothing to do with Sly. I think that you assumed I was WS because I was his friend. I felt mischaracterised, because I don't see him as WS and I'm certainly not. In fact our friendship is based on the fact we both have Complex Trauma and we are dealing with PTSD together, entirely unrelated to politics. I apologise that you didn't like to be reported. I wasn't trying to shame you, but it hurt to be called fragile, or to be mocked as racist when I left for PTSD therapy, and other incorrect assumptions.

Truce. Please add your name if you feel we can all move on.

Thanks for making it clear. I think it's important.

You mean like Alex's comment.

I think I've said all I can on the matter and maybe too much but I can't help/won't apologise for being me , I can't f*****g change it's systemic

I shall retire for the night and add my name to that list

Having suffered complex emotional traumas is something that the three of us have in common, and same with many other posters on here. That's part of why I've been consistent in saying he's got every right to be here no matter what he believes. It also explains why when I feel piled on I tend to respond forcefully as long as it occurs. We all have maladaptive tendencies resulting from traumas we've been subjected to, one of mine is that I always fight back even if I can't win because I carry a lot more shame over situations where I didn't do that than the ones where I did.

I don't doubt that I was harsher than deserved because of the circumstances but I also believe some of the offense was driven by not quite reading what I had said. I don't recall ever calling you a coddled racist, but I do recall saying you were coddling one, I should have been more strict with my wording and wrote out 'someone who's been sympathizing with WS groups' or something more reasonable, but in the heat of the moment I was lazy and unclear. I can absolutely understand being much more upset over your take than mine.

It might be unreasonable for me to expect perfect reading comprehension in that moment, just like I would feel it's unfair to insist that lazy wordings were intentionally malicious, tensions were high and clearly we're both people who felt strongly motivated to defend 'our cause'.

I've got a thread titled 'Rate My Bars', I assumed any threats were contained in there although I've probably posted little snippets elsewhere if I thought they were clever. One of the things I'm really fixated on is the craft of rapping, so at times something I'm proud of (like strings of multisyllable rhymes) isn't related to the content but instead the just the rhyme scheme. I know I've used 'deplorable racists' and 'hospital patients' as a rhyme because the stressed syllables rhyme.

I can link some stuff, I have before. I've had to learn how to actually mix and engineer tracks in this style since I've only made heavy/noisy punk before so I have very little recorded compared to written. Usually when I get to rap it's with other people at work, just basically coming up with rhymes for fun. Part of the reason I post stuff here is that I can open the thread with my phone and have way more stuff than I could ever remember handy.

https://vocaroo.com/ghgqTUN5UJF

That's an example, but I'm going to rerecord my verse (the first one). People were in bed, so I had to be quiet.

I think he means more like Pepe, where that word is viewed as a horrific attack beyond all decency.

+1

A couple of things to clarify, I don't think we should ban the word "racist" (I don't think we should ban any words) and I'm not after funeralxempire's proverbial head. This thread and the Sly stuff I have only come across today, when I entered this part of the forum to express gratitude about the huge improvement in performance speed of the site.

As for Isabella's post, I don't have any animosity towards anyone on the site, so no worries there.

Do you think we should stick to something implicitly contained in the existing rules but unfortunately too often overlooked:

Calling out for bad things and other forms of disagreement should never follow a user to The Haven. Even if they was the most awful person in the world cleverly disguising their genocidal agenda - The Haven is sacred. In The Haven, support or report but don't challenge.

Can we all agree on it and keep to it from now on?

That was always my understanding, and my reason for requesting mod support in nine different instances.
People with trauma, depression, and anxiety need a lot more protection from hurtful comments.

This is how I tried to enforce the rules for the best interest of everyone's mental health.

The Haven.
The Haven is protected more than any other forum on this site, so if someone is in distress and posts there it is for help and support from other members, not to debate with him/her about their religion or atheism or post anything that could cause further distress. Trying to persuade an atheist to pray to God or Jesus for support is not appropriate in the Haven, similarly attacking a believers religious views in the Haven is not appropriate either.

This is the current rule, posted in The Haven. ^

I've said it before but I will say it again a new rule was implemented for the The Haven in my era as a mod but it seems to have disappeared.

Thank you for bringing back

the Html way wasn't working till just now...

Dear Ferris. Your new icon , does not look good on you... might even appear a bit inflammatory ? but this is most likely just my opinion .

In the same way, it should be the responsibility for those in America to consider how the use of terms like "racist" or "white supremecist" apply in other countries (or even just outside the bubbles the person using those terms lives in), and how these can be considered extremely offensive, and a major attack on a person's character and integrity.

Unfortunately, it appears that throwing these terms around to describe anyone with a different opinion has become the acceptable (approved even?) practice here. It also appears that it is endorsed here in place of a civil "I disgaree with what you said because <insert explanation>", which only serves to indicate the disdain shown to anyone who may have even slightly different beliefs to you.

You seem to be under the impression that the things you post in a spoiler are not relevant, please don't censor yourself like that.