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02 Aug 2020, 10:42 am

agrees on krafties niceness , this site would lose alot of its appeal wthout krafty.
imho .......


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02 Aug 2020, 10:59 am

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This one really impressed me: while it's supportive, as already mentioned it's not cheesy or hollow and it's also very pragmatical: people really look for advice and they get it. While bullying isn't tolerated, constant complaining and angry rejection of any kind of advice or suggestion isn't encouraged either. There's actually a lot of talk about acquiring, sharing or teaching life-skills: You want help putting together a grocery list of cheap and healthy foods or recipes? You'll get a lot of suggestions. You like cooking from scratch or growing your own food? Nobody will accuse you of being a rich, entitled hipster or snob :wink:

Same thing seems to apply to social skills and other life-skills or coping strategies, people go there to learn, not to claim aspies are the biggest martyrs in the world who can never succeed at anything. Or to vent their envy and resentment.

Local culture has a huge effect on both how members behave and how they are treated and I'll give two very different examples: Ezra, who was seen as a problem here is very well-liked and behaved there. Magna, who is posting exactly the same way he was here, is also liked and respected, instead of insulted.

With the recent sizeable wave of refugees from WP driven away by the toxicity, an old member there publically apologised for his past behaviour and said he didn't realise how much it affected people (here, such situations usually lead to people accusing others of being too sensitive or claiming they are allowed to insult and harass because "they're right"). He did mention both having various personal issues at the time and also local culture on WP encouraging the worst in people, while the culture on AC does not support territorial attitudes or people who would rather break/destroy the toy than fix it and share it with others.

Do they discuss “autism politics” issues such as is autism a gift or a curse or in interest of harmony/civility do they avoid or paper over such differences? Are the “life skills” members strive to obtain lessons on how to be more accepted in the NT world by being more NT? What I am getting at is that if WP is too blunt/literal if it triggers you too bad is Autism forum too much on the other side of things to the point of being wishy washy for the purpose of harmony?

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In regards to the above I understand it is very difficult to be autistically blunt without selling out or masking to a harmful degree. I expect people in general especially autistic people to f**k this up from time to time no matter what anforums culture. What is going on in the outside world makes this goal harder to achieve. But getting better at it is something that can be accomplished and should be a goal of members and moderators.


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02 Aug 2020, 11:12 am

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... Throwing Fnord under the bus will just start a witch hunt mentality and I'm not supporting that, it distracts from the core issue regarding moderation...
I suspect that being "thrown under the bus" has more to do with a specific, yet unnamed disagreement than with any general "attitude" on my part.

Assume for the moment that I once tangled with a Trump supporter whose claims regarding his/her hero I have easily refuted.  Such a person -- figuratively walking in the footsteps of President Trump -- might engage in some very Trump-like acts of false accusation and a general smear campaign against me.

No, I am not saying that this is specifically what is happening; but the overall form somehow seems to "fit the pattern" (a term used by some to describe my behavior).



Anyway ... this latest s***tstorm seems to be dissipating; soon, everything on WP will be back to "normal".


which bus just btw ..... :twisted: i want to watch :?:


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02 Aug 2020, 11:18 am

Thanks, Amity.

I feel like we will make WP a more friendly, less cynical place.

I feel like COVID aggravates everything, just through its presence.



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02 Aug 2020, 11:19 am

Jakki wrote:
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... Throwing Fnord under the bus will just start a witch hunt mentality and I'm not supporting that, it distracts from the core issue regarding moderation...
I suspect that being "thrown under the bus" has more to do with a specific, yet unnamed disagreement than with any general "attitude" on my part.  Assume for the moment that I once tangled with a Trump supporter whose claims regarding his/her hero I have easily refuted.  Such a person -- figuratively walking in the footsteps of President Trump -- might engage in some very Trump-like acts of false accusation and a general smear campaign against me.  No, I am not saying that this is specifically what is happening; but the overall form somehow seems to "fit the pattern" (a term used by some to describe my behavior).  Anyway ... this latest s***tstorm seems to be dissipating; soon, everything on WP will be back to "normal".
which bus just btw ..... i want to watch
The bus labeled "Public Opinion" and "When you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger".  Again, this is just a suspicion, and no-one should ever be deemed guilty because of mere suspicion.


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02 Aug 2020, 11:56 am

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For some reason, I sense that people don’t like me any more.

Why is that?

I DON’T agree that WrongPlanet is a cesspool of people who go around bullying people—though there is certainly bullying that must be curbed.

The vast majority of the time in the politically-motivated forums, people on various sides battle it out with each other, and sometimes bully each other. But, the vast majority of the time, it’s a fair fight.


Kraftiekortie I think you are well liked by the community. You are a peacemaker.


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02 Aug 2020, 11:57 am

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Kraftiekortie I think you are well liked by the community. You are a peacemaker.


Just hopping on this bandwagon, but sincerely.


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02 Aug 2020, 12:27 pm

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Do they discuss “autism politics” issues such as is autism a gift or a curse or in interest of harmony/civility do they avoid or paper over such differences? Are the “life skills” members strive to obtain lessons on how to be more accepted in the NT world by being more NT? What I am getting at is that if WP is too blunt/literal if it triggers you too bad is Autism forum too much on the other side of things to the point of being wishy washy for the purpose of harmony?

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In regards to the above I understand it is very difficult to be autistically blunt without selling out or masking to a harmful degree. I expect people in general especially autistic people to f**k this up from time to time no matter what anforums culture. What is going on in the outside world makes this goal harder to achieve. But getting better at it is something that can be accomplished and should be a goal of members and moderators.


As I already mentioned, it's not wishy-washy at all - you do get a lot of substance. And as a side note, personally I'm not triggered by bluntness or even rudeness, I'm tired of seeing bullying, trolling and people leaving because of it.

I have not yet seen one single poster there wanting to be NT or claiming we should bend over backwards to accommodate them in every way, there are much more of them here actually. Learning about healthy food, exercise, cooking, budgeting, paying bills etc isn't necessarily an NT thing since many of them are bad at it too... People just want to make their own lives better and find ways to cope with whatever challenges they have.

I have no doubt people there f**k up, the mods seem to handle it without as much public drama.

Anybody can form an opinion by taking a look there themselves instead of relying on what others say.


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02 Aug 2020, 12:57 pm

I bet no-one will notice my post but here goes...

I've been here for over 10 years and have made thousands of posts, and I can safely say that I have not experienced much bullying at all. So I fail to understand what people mean by "lots of bullying goes on here". I figure most of the bullying goes on in places like the PPR and L&D the most, which are two sections that I tend to avoid. I find it best to stay out of politics, as you will get arguments that can lead to bullying, because lots of people from different cultures and backgrounds with different beliefs in an over-the-top politically correct society throwing in different opinions IS going to cause a lot of hurt feelings. I don't know why so many people bother with it. I don't.
I find the parents discussion a rather uncivilized place too, because some people with bad experiences with their parents tend to personally attack other members and accuse them of being bad parents.

But overall, I don't find WP to be a 'bully zone' at all. Like I said, I feel more comfortable posting my thoughts and feelings here than I do anywhere else online. I feel that all the members here are very helpful and supportive (give or take a few, but nobody in particular).


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02 Aug 2020, 1:30 pm

^I noticed your post. I agree with you for the most part.

Like you said, most of the bullying occurs in the sub forums you mentioned.

It can get pretty bad at times when you have somebody who has difficulty “fighting back.” And who has been traumatized by events in their real lives.

When somebody, say, presents the impression that people have “no chance” for romance because they haven’t achieved the requisite “success”....such as having a job or car, being a virgin at a relatively late age, or being overweight.

That has got to stop....because it isn’t a true impression. And it makes people feel hopeless when hopelessness is not justified.

Thanks, everybody, for the affirmation. I was feeling sorry for myself. You all provided me with an alternative view...which should be also provided to those who are in really bad situations.



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02 Aug 2020, 1:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
For some reason, I sense that people don’t like me any more.

Why is that?

I DON’T agree that WrongPlanet is a cesspool of people who go around bullying people—though there is certainly bullying that must be curbed.

The vast majority of the time in the politically-motivated forums, people on various sides battle it out with each other, and sometimes bully each other. But, the vast majority of the time, it’s a fair fight.


Well, I can certainly say that I still like you.

And also Joe90, I did notice and read your post.

I agree with both of you that I haven’t seen a lot of bullying around here, although it sounds like a lot of what people see as bullying is politically based, and I too typically stay out of PPR and other political threads.

For what it’s worth, I also have nothing against Fnord. I don’t really feel comfortable going into much detail talking about other people, but I will at least say that much.

And that is all I will say for now because I’m getting some of those negative vibes that are pushing me away in this thread and don’t want to get involved much.


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02 Aug 2020, 1:49 pm

^Thanks for posting.

I happen to find D & D nice and interesting...she has sort of a droll sense of humor. Not really sarcastic, but sort of ironic.

Her Dragon Hugs are strong and firm, I’m sure.

I hope we can support her through her future challenges. She’s been brave to her challenges.



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02 Aug 2020, 2:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Amity wrote:
... Throwing Fnord under the bus will just start a witch hunt mentality and I'm not supporting that, it distracts from the core issue regarding moderation...
I suspect that being "thrown under the bus" has more to do with a specific, yet unnamed disagreement than with any general "attitude" on my part.  Assume for the moment that I once tangled with a Trump supporter whose claims regarding his/her hero I have easily refuted.  Such a person -- figuratively walking in the footsteps of President Trump -- might engage in some very Trump-like acts of false accusation and a general smear campaign against me.  No, I am not saying that this is specifically what is happening; but the overall form somehow seems to "fit the pattern" (a term used by some to describe my behavior).  Anyway ... this latest s***tstorm seems to be dissipating; soon, everything on WP will be back to "normal".
which bus just btw ..... i want to watch
The bus labeled "Public Opinion" and "When you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger".  Again, this is just a suspicion, and no-one should ever be deemed guilty because of mere suspicion.


Now feel obliged to step in here and say something about this public opinion thing . even though i might cut ff my nose to spite my face , and this is not btw
a effort to support Fnord . i believe he is quite able to do this on his own.
Have found he can be curt at times even qute direct . Pointed , but without
him the planet my be losing a valuable point of veiw brought to some topics .
He often has brought contrast into some of the threads here , At least ones in which i have engaged in . but due to my own limitations ave not always been able to follow , near as many threads as i would like. So cannot speak to every experience everyone might have had with him


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02 Aug 2020, 2:47 pm

Thank you, Jakki!

One of the things that concerns me is the possibility that other members may want to make opinions that conflict with theirs illegal. I hope this never happens, because who wants WP to turn into another forum for Incels, extremists, and ordinary bigots to express their particular brands of hatred?

Not I.


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02 Aug 2020, 2:57 pm

^NO, we don't want that at all. Hatred has no place here.

I think its best for people with no interest in politics, such as Joe90, to stay away from PPR and I think she's right to avoid those threads. They are not for everyone and I wish we had a button that made PPR optional, or alternatively a disclaimer (sticky) must be placed on the forum explaining you're entering potential landmine territory!


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02 Aug 2020, 3:03 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Thanks, Amity.

I feel like we will make WP a more friendly, less cynical place.

I feel like COVID aggravates everything, just through its presence.


This is why we like you. You always have something positive to add...

Unlike my "burn it to the ground" mentality.