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gwenevyn
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21 Oct 2007, 4:10 pm

Aye. Many a bodice-ripper begins with a little spat.

Somehow I just don't see it happening here. :wink:

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21 Oct 2007, 4:27 pm

0_equals_true wrote:

I think it is sad that a mod that was largely respected as TM1 was undermined and felt he had to quit. If anything we should have more of TM1s

I, too, was disappointed by TM1's departure. I felt that his background in psychology strongly complimented my own, as we each approached the subject from different perspectives. More than once he was able to illustrate to me psychological aspects of a situation that I would not have otherwise seen. He was not undermined. Quite the contrary, at one point he undermined my efforts. Subsequently, I instituted a policy that mods will not reverse each others' decisions and Alex enforced it. This is another case where you have drawn conclusions without all the facts. His decision was his alone, made after a disagreement with me, even after I conceded the point. I suspect that there was more going on there than what he talked about, but I remain disinclined to talk about other members or mods. I much prefer talking to people to talking about people.

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21 Oct 2007, 4:41 pm

Ana54 should be a mod, get rid of the rest they only take up space

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21 Oct 2007, 4:44 pm

kate-silverton wrote:

Ana54 should be a mod, get rid of the rest they only take up space

I support that.

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21 Oct 2007, 4:50 pm

god i'm sexy, let me help you guys:

this site sucks. go somewhere else.

there.

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21 Oct 2007, 5:24 pm

gwenevyn wrote:

Hadron wrote:

Respect has to be earned, not taken for granted

Respect is something that respectable people show universally. It is not something they withhold based on the character of the person with whom they are dealing.

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Most of the respectable mods have resigned, hence how we ended up in this debacle. As for the anger, it is very measured, given the slippery slope some seem determined to push this site along.

What you appear to be saying is that you ought to be able to say whatever you please to the moderators, in whatever tone you please, while they ought to be confined to agreeing with you politely.

If you wish to see others held to a certain standard of behavior and accountability, you should be showing them how it's done.

I dont wish to see a level of accountability by members, but I do expect mod powers to be used wisely. As for being courteuous, I couldnt give a rats arse, what I dont like is hypocrisy. As for being able to say what I like to mods, my view is there should be no mods as such, just admins that remove spam. As far as I am concerned people should be allowed to say what they like to one another, how people use such a power is up to them.

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21 Oct 2007, 5:26 pm

gwenevyn wrote:

I've ducked no question that was posed to me and I see nothing dishonest in doing one's best to avoid forming hasty and absolute opinions. "The scientist is slow to believe and never speaks without modification."

That's true, and that is actually the best way to see things, which I admit I fail to do so. However, MrMark himself said the reason of locking it, because it was his, in which a mod doing such a thing with that reason doesn't seem too appropriate or ethical thing to do. I know that particular action does not have a great repercusion, and to most people probably is not a big deal. However there is a point to think and discuss about on this matter. I admit it should be without confrontation.

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21 Oct 2007, 5:27 pm

Hadron wrote:

So you agree Mr Mark was wrong. He could have easily remedied his action as soon as this thread was set up, but instead he has chosen to allow this carry on for well over 200 posts.

To be fair, he actually said he would unlock the thread if more demands were made about doing it, but it would be kinda pointless in my opinion to do so now, so I think it is better for the thread to remain as it is.

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21 Oct 2007, 5:54 pm

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As far as I am concerned people should be allowed to say what they like to one another

Then why are you here? Presumably you can do that at I2, but this site clearly states from the beginning that there are rules and that it is meant for a variety of people, including children. There's no false advertising about it being a free for all; there are other sites that are like that though. If you don't like how this is run (just in general), why do you continue to hang around?

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21 Oct 2007, 6:02 pm

GoatOnFire wrote:

calandale wrote:

Ah, the irony. You really should
run for office in the US - you'd
make a great Republican here.

I doubt it. QM doesn't strike me as the type that taps his foot in a public bathroom, unless he has a stim.

Nah. In a public bathroom, I get things over and done with. Besides, I could never be a politician. You have to please everybody, and you can't do that, obviously. Look at the stellar job I'm doing now!

And if I was a polly, it'd be Labour, in Australia. Or perhaps the Greens or Democrats. But let's not go there.

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21 Oct 2007, 6:04 pm

Quatermass wrote:

GoatOnFire wrote:

calandale wrote:

Ah, the irony. You really should
run for office in the US - you'd
make a great Republican here.

I doubt it. QM doesn't strike me as the type that taps his foot in a public bathroom, unless he has a stim.

'twas a joke. :lol:

I was making a reference to Larry Craig.

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21 Oct 2007, 6:05 pm

RainSong wrote:

Hadron wrote:

As far as I am concerned people should be allowed to say what they like to one another

There are rules here true, but they appear to be selectively enforced. As for this site being a free for all, it almost was, just a couple of boundaries here and there that were needed to stop Net Nanny blocking it. Certain individuals want to change it in to a more moderated site, and that is exactly what I am opposing. As for children, I suspect they are worse off here than on I2, at least at I2 we dont have a forum practically dedicated to whining and suicide. The difference is I2 does not allow them at all, for legal reasons. As liking how a site is ran, I am an anarchist practically, why would I like any form of authority.

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21 Oct 2007, 6:09 pm

MrMark wrote:

0_equals_true wrote:

I think it is sad that a mod that was largely respected as TM1 was undermined and felt he had to quit. If anything we should have more of TM1s

Give me some evidence, why should I take your word for it? Everyone seems to be trying to undermine you. I think you believe it too. It seems much more the other way round to me. I think you are slippery in your dealings with alex, possibly because he is so busy. It appears to have undermined not only the mods but also WP members in general, in my opinion. If it is true that you have been given carte blanche that is a very grave matter.

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21 Oct 2007, 6:14 pm

Hadron wrote:

I am an anarchist practically, why would I like any form of authority.

That's an extreme, authority is always good, the way how it is done is the issue sometimes.

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21 Oct 2007, 6:16 pm

GoatOnFire wrote:

Quatermass wrote:

GoatOnFire wrote:

calandale wrote:

Ah, the irony. You really should
run for office in the US - you'd
make a great Republican here.

I doubt it. QM doesn't strike me as the type that taps his foot in a public bathroom, unless he has a stim.

'twas a joke. :lol:

I was making a reference to Larry Craig.

I know, that silly sod of a Republican caught in the.....wasn't it the airport loo? And he was stung by some sex squad?

Hadron wrote:

As liking how a site is ran, I am an anarchist practically, why would I like any form of authority.

Serious question: Are you a "without order" anarchist or "without leaders" one?

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21 Oct 2007, 6:20 pm

Hadron wrote:

There are rules here true, but they appear to be selectively enforced.

Yeah, because if they're impartially enforced, even more problems arise. Besides, it doesn't appear that all rules are selectively enforced; a few, at least, appear to be pretty well used.

Hadron wrote:

As for this site being a free for all, it almost was, just a couple of boundaries here and there that were needed to stop Net Nanny blocking it. Certain individuals want to change it in to a more moderated site, and that is exactly what I am opposing.

And before that, it was moderated far more than this. The upkeep of the rules slackened off, but originally, almost all of the rules were enforced. This site seems to go through cycles.

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As for children, I suspect they are worse off here than on I2, at least at I2 we dont have a forum practically dedicated to whining and suicide. The difference is I2 does not allow them at all, for legal reasons.

There are some children who understand what suicide is quite a bit more than some adults; there are some children who also try to commit suicide at a rather young age. I don't think exposure to suicide is going to harm them any more than pictures of various members' genitalia and fights will.

Hadron wrote:

As liking how a site is ran, I am an anarchist practically, why would I like any form of authority.

So it's back to the original question; regardless of how much authority was exercised, there have always been rules on this forum, and more often than not, there was at least some moderating action happening. So why come to a site that had these things from the start?

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