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26 Aug 2020, 3:38 am

blooiejagwa wrote:

Years ago I had someone on makeupalley accuse me of racism for sharing a joke someone had sent me .

.joke just happened to have a Chinese Doctor saying the punchline ...
but the whole point was the intentional logical fallacy the dr did jokingly to make his patient feel at ease (less uptight about health).

And I KNEW the reason the joke said Chinese and not just doctor was not racism but because Western med often looks to Eastern medicine for a different approach .esp in 70s to 90s..

and this was using that implicit trust. to show the doctor giving bogus advice in jest.

Then there was a pile on and they kept calling me racist fir sharing that joke or 'claiming' that there was a logical fallacy when they couldn't see it.
I told them my favourite cousin is half Filipino and I have no racist bone in my body as far as I could tell.

Then 1 lady lied about having seen me post racist jokes many times before yet wouldnt give any examples.
Another lady joined. I told them this was the first time I ever posted a joke so that was untrue.

Neither had any example because they were literally lying to create drama (something majority of ppl on that website relish in doing and actively say so and congratulate each other if something gets 'good' as in..essentially when they hurt someone flr entertainment. Even threatening ppls kids etc

This is the NT disease which I see, unfortunately, infesting our autistic community, in some quarters.

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Saw them do it countless times
.. they still do it but less.
Then I was being accused of something that wasnt there.
And That was a really bad time in my life (regular life) to begin with in many areas... so I had a shutdown that I drifted in andout of for a while.

Meaning seeing this thread shows me how 1 thing can be seen in different ways with no manipulative intent from anyone..
and paint ppl in different lights with doubts on each others intentions etc

"You are preaching to the choir, sister."

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And how one doesnt know the background that ppl could be enduring that makes the communication gap wider and unwittingly nore hurt and paranoia when simple presumption of good intent
Immediately shows the reality ...and wd mitigate a lot of problems. And also how racism is a big trigger for these things
Like a microcosm ..

So extremely helpful to cement some ideas about relating to others... in that way.

Unfortunately, there is ill-intent from some quarters.
Sometimes, it is a political power-game rather than a genuine desire for dialogue.
The Oracle has spoken.

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26 Aug 2020, 8:36 am

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There has to be EVIDENCE of racism in order to call it out. Saying someone's racist without backing your claim up, is defamation, can be reported and we need to then deal with it with discretion...

With all due respect...

What I fear is that if the words "Racist" and "Racism" are banned, the racists will have a field day with this website, posting all kinds of race-based hatred and lies, and then reporting anyone who calls them out on it.

Sure, demand evidence (... Please?) before calling someone out, but also make sure that your own posts are free from any racism, sexism, or other bigotry, AND that you have your own facts straight.

And by "you", I mean anyone reading this, and not just Envirozentinel.

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26 Aug 2020, 8:55 am

Fnord wrote:

envirozentinel wrote:

There has to be EVIDENCE of racism in order to call it out. Saying someone's racist without backing your claim up, is defamation, can be reported and we need to then deal with it with discretion...

[color=black]With all due respect...

What I fear is that if the words "Racist" and "Racism" are banned, the racists will have a field day with this website, posting all kinds of race-based hatred and lies, and then reporting anyone who calls them out .

If it comes down to that, report them without calling them out.

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26 Aug 2020, 9:03 am

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Fnord wrote:

envirozentinel wrote:

There has to be EVIDENCE of racism in order to call it out. Saying someone's racist without backing your claim up, is defamation, can be reported and we need to then deal with it with discretion...

If it comes down to that, report them without calling them out.

Without calling them out, hitting the 'Report' button is often fruitless.

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26 Aug 2020, 9:46 am

WP has so much potential.

We should not abandon all the lonely people just because of mere politics.

Please.....let us seek to set aside our arguments for the sake of those for whom this Site was meant: all the people who feel disenfranchised because they feel like people disregard them because of their autism.

I know how these people feel. I feel disenfranchised to a certain extent.

Alex did a great thing in starting this Site. An essential thing.

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26 Aug 2020, 9:48 am

Strange ... I just felt a chill ... as if someone was walking across Dale Carnegie's grave ...

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26 Aug 2020, 9:50 am

I think the “power of positive thinking” is a bunch of hooey.

I say what I mean, and mean what I say.

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26 Aug 2020, 9:51 am

Fnord wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Fnord wrote:

envirozentinel wrote:

There has to be EVIDENCE of racism in order to call it out. Saying someone's racist without backing your claim up, is defamation, can be reported and we need to then deal with it with discretion...

If it comes down to that, report them without calling them out.

Without calling them out, hitting the 'Report' button is often fruitless.

I have had a lot of luck sending PM's to all the mods. It's a little more work, but 100% success rate so far for me anyways

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26 Aug 2020, 9:53 am

Feyokien wrote:

Fnord wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Fnord wrote:

envirozentinel wrote:

There has to be EVIDENCE of racism in order to call it out. Saying someone's racist without backing your claim up, is defamation, can be reported and we need to then deal with it with discretion...

If it comes down to that, report them without calling them out.

Without calling them out, hitting the 'Report' button is often fruitless.

I have had a lot of luck sending PM's to all the mods. It's a little more work, but 100% success rate so far for me anyways

If the system could be adjusted back to allowing multiple recipients, that would make PM-ing the mods a lot easier.

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26 Aug 2020, 9:56 am

Yeah.....I do believe Alex did an essential thing in starting this Site.

I say stupid things sometimes.....and I pay the price sometimes.

The price is not a death sentence, though.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:21 am

I wish Alex would reach out to Sly....or vice versa.

For Sly to get to know the real Alex a little bit....or vice versa.

Online presentation is not the whole person.

I know Sly is no Nazi or racist.....and I’m sure Alex is more flexible than what meets the eye.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:22 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Always the peacemaker

. Alex did do a good thing creating this place.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:22 am

I wish people would leave both Alex and Sly alone, and let them solve their own problems.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:24 am

I agree. That’s the point I was making.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:33 am

blooiejagwa wrote:

How come the reverse doesn't apply when someone is both misunderstood AND slandered with zero proof (eg screenshot) and what proof there was (eg pic of blavk ppl with guns) being so subjective and taken out of context as to be entirely baseless??
Abd then you have the audacity to talk about things being 'hurtful' when a token of apology is beneath you

Lets cease attacking Alex. We can never come to an understanding if we continue to do so and we may still get an apology.

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26 Aug 2020, 10:38 am

For me, it's not so much about Sly himself. He just happened to be in a wrong place on a wrong time with "wrong" political opinions on Wrong Planet.

It's about the tone of discussion set here. Is it okay to be judgemental from the position of power or are we all obliged to listen to each other carefully and at least try to understand what those we disagree with have to say?

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