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03 Aug 2020, 9:24 am

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It is heartening to see so many responses to this thread and to see people coming back to post about why they left, or why others have left.  As a regular current member I would like to personally thank you for taking the time to do this, I feel less of a lone voice and it provides an opportunity that silence could not facilitate.  It shows a willingness to help WP improve.
In spite of all the hassles, it is heartening for me to be the catalyst of improvement, if not the cause itself.
Honestly, I cant see your words in the same way as I used to, since the Haven reply you posted and deleted.
Which one?  I've posted lots of things in The Haven (and elsewhere) that I've regretted, and then gone back and deleted or asked the mods to delete.  If I worried all of the time whether or not my posts would offend someone, I would never post again.


It must of been one you deleted about a month ago, the mods would of had to take action if they had seen it... I was caught off guard and too taken aback to think of getting screenshot evidence instantly, when I went back a few mins later to take action the post was gone, thankfully.

If its reminiscent of something a caustic relative would have said, definitely don't say it.


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03 Aug 2020, 9:26 am

Amity wrote:
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It is heartening to see so many responses to this thread and to see people coming back to post about why they left, or why others have left.  As a regular current member I would like to personally thank you for taking the time to do this, I feel less of a lone voice and it provides an opportunity that silence could not facilitate.  It shows a willingness to help WP improve.
In spite of all the hassles, it is heartening for me to be the catalyst of improvement, if not the cause itself.
Honestly, I cant see your words in the same way as I used to, since the Haven reply you posted and deleted.
Which one?  I've posted lots of things in The Haven (and elsewhere) that I've regretted, and then gone back and deleted or asked the mods to delete.  If I worried all of the time whether or not my posts would offend someone, I would never post again.
It must of been one you deleted about a month ago, the mods would of had to take action if they had seen it... I was caught off guard and too taken aback to think of getting screenshot evidence instantly, when I went back a few mins later to take action the post was gone, thankfully. If its reminiscent of something a caustic relative would have said, definitely don't say it.
Like I said, I do that sometimes -- post something, regret it, then delete it.  I'm not completely lacking a conscience.



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03 Aug 2020, 9:31 am

seems some folks are not reading the introductions " please read before posting" . Give a great deal of insight as to what is allowed in any particular forum . which has been quite a help to me as to
what to expect in any particular forum .
and not all aspies are on the same track as others which might be expected of any group of people and especially aspies , as at times thing just drop into your mind and blab..... it just comes out .

Politics is always a hotbed , And you can see that various people may have very militant veiws about what they percieve. So some contrary opinions are likely to be expressed . A certain amount of this is almost entertaining to watch , if you can step away from the issues and merely be an observer .
But not everyone is going to be able to do this ,, So might be a room where you might get some unfavorable attention . it might be a thought that if you do not wish to be contraversial, might pay attention to the read first before posting. just my own opinion .


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03 Aug 2020, 9:37 am

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I respect your intentions but........

Where is the bulling?

I've seen personalities clash, then members assume victimhood.

These "victims" are quite happy to bring the site down with them if they can't get their way.

Ferris's weird Kamakazi mission was partly in defence of the defenceless, persecuted victims that are endlessly threatening to leave us and crying foul. :roll:

This feels like further symptoms of the same malaise.

Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.


Look I get it, you've seen what you've seen... if you didn't witness it, it doesn't exist? Im not oblivious to the manipulation, Ive sat on the fence watching because Ive seen the same thing as you, I interpret the bigger picture differently though... have you seen how many members WP has lost to the competition? This cycle keeps repeating itself and each time this place gets smaller and quieter, thats what needs to be addressed, the why of 'why are we hemorrhaging members again?


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03 Aug 2020, 9:47 am

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... Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.
Certainly.  Some babies are in genuine distress, some just want to be picked up and held, and some seem to cry just to hear the sound of their own voices.  Then they all get attention and feel loved.

But we're adults here, and no one needs to look for attention ... right?


Not sure where you're leading me with your last question :lol: I'll try to be more specific.

I've seen Ezra call Cyberdad a bully after locking horns, I find that manipulative.

Likewise some members get butthurt by Goldfish's exuberant style and political views and complain, I find that manipulative.



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03 Aug 2020, 10:00 am

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... Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.
Certainly.  Some babies are in genuine distress, some just want to be picked up and held, and some seem to cry just to hear the sound of their own voices.  Then they all get attention and feel loved.

But we're adults here, and no one needs to look for attention ... right?


Not sure where you're leading me with your last question :lol: I'll try to be more specific.

I've seen Ezra call Cyberdad a bully after locking horns, I find that manipulative.

Likewise some members get butthurt by Goldfish's exuberant style and political views and complain, I find that manipulative.


There's a way to make a point though. Condescension and sarcastic belittling may not be as overt as bullying, but it doesn't contribute to a wholesome atmodpehere. They're still not being good community members with their snark.



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03 Aug 2020, 10:31 am

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... Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.
Certainly.  Some babies are in genuine distress, some just want to be picked up and held, and some seem to cry just to hear the sound of their own voices.  Then they all get attention and feel loved.  But we're adults here, and no one needs to look for attention ... right?
Not sure where you're leading me with your last question. I'll try to be more specific.
Well ... I'm sure we can both think of people who have posted on the same topic in several different threads when just one thread would suffice.
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I've seen Ezra call Cyberdad a bully after locking horns, I find that manipulative.
I've seen lots of people get into arguments.  Usually, the first to cry "Bully!" are the ones who started the arguments.
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Likewise some members get butthurt by Goldfish's exuberant style and political views and complain, I find that manipulative.
Goldfish isn't the only person to whom this happens; but since he and I have similar views on similar subjects, it's understandable that the same people would accuse both of us of "bullying" when it's really just the "exuberant" ways we have of presenting our views, and the views themselves that those people don't like.



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03 Aug 2020, 10:46 am

hurtloam wrote:
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... Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.
Certainly.  Some babies are in genuine distress, some just want to be picked up and held, and some seem to cry just to hear the sound of their own voices.  Then they all get attention and feel loved.

But we're adults here, and no one needs to look for attention ... right?


Not sure where you're leading me with your last question :lol: I'll try to be more specific.

I've seen Ezra call Cyberdad a bully after locking horns, I find that manipulative.

Likewise some members get butthurt by Goldfish's exuberant style and political views and complain, I find that manipulative.


There's a way to make a point though. Condescension and sarcastic belittling may not be as overt as bullying, but it doesn't contribute to a wholesome atmodpehere. They're still not being good community members with their snark.

Yep, sure, the snark is a different can of worms.



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03 Aug 2020, 11:04 am

these issues albeit sarcasm snarks , or the lot , need a room for them too then . for these types of bits of conversation , albeit painful , even rude , are normally used on and off in daily conversations.
Although not necessarily supportive ,can give insight as to how various types of conversation progress . imagination a situation : you walk into s conversation late and not realizing the degree of familiarty between two posters . The conversation could sound terrible and rude . And prolly should have been taking place in a pm , But context is rather important .
this is merely a thoughtful suggestion to those whom might accidentally , walk into one of these types of conversations .


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03 Aug 2020, 11:33 am

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Im not oblivious to the manipulation, Ive sat on the fence watching because Ive seen the same thing as you, I interpret the bigger picture differently though... have you seen how many members WP has lost to the competition? This cycle keeps repeating itself and each time this place gets smaller and quieter, thats what needs to be addressed, the why of 'why are we hemorrhaging members again?




I wouldn't call other sites "the competition" - WP isn't a brand of soft drink. People can enjoy several different autism websites and we have folk who post on, or just view, both WP and AF, or others. But I don't see them as competing - they should all work together to give their users a happy online experience.


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03 Aug 2020, 11:36 am

Jakki wrote:
these issues albeit sarcasm snarks , or the lot , need a room for them too then . for these types of bits of conversation , albeit painful , even rude , are normally used on and off in daily conversations.
Although not necessarily supportive ,can give insight as to how various types of conversation progress . imagination a situation : you walk into s conversation late and not realizing the degree of familiarty between two posters . The conversation could sound terrible and rude . And prolly should have been taking place in a pm , But context is rather important .
this is merely a thoughtful suggestion to those whom might accidentally , walk into one of these types of conversations .


I'm afraid I enjoy sarcasm quite a bit so agree with you in general, but do you want to see that in the Haven?

If by any chance Amity is thinking about the same deleted post in the Haven I am, it was just hateful and nothing else: rejoicing in past harm and wishing for death, with no blunt advice or tough-love attached to it whatsoever. I'm sure you realise what kind of harm that could do to a suicidal person if they saw it? And what could possibly be the purpose or intention behind saying something like this?

Other posts with direct and indirect insults made in the Haven by a variety of people have not been seen as a problem at the time, but have been deleted recently. I never imagined that I should take screenshots on an autism support forum, but to the extent I'll still use this site I'll surely do it in the future.


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03 Aug 2020, 2:22 pm

The Haven is a special place and there should be no room for sarcasm, tough love, conflicting world views - not to mention outright hate. It's the place where everyone should be able to go even in their worst state of mental health.
I didn't see the post in question but while some fights may be - to some extent - tolerated in PPR, all the users should know the Haven has different rules.


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03 Aug 2020, 4:08 pm

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Where do we draw the line for attacks because if all of a sudden it's a personal attack to say anything negative about Trump or Biden, then pretty soon it will be impossible to talk about anything on here without it being considered attacks.

Can't talk about a misunderstanding that happened at work due to your autism or you would be attacking your boss let's say.


Why should a person be treated differently dependant on whether they view the site or not?

As I mentioned - Attacking the "opinions"\"beliefs"\"actions"\etc. in the same way you would for a member, providing an explanation\reasoning, would be OK, but an attack on the person themself should be off-limits.



You had said earlier it should be an attack even if the person isn't present here and I responded to that asking where would we draw the line for what is an attack about people not being present here. Our bosses are not present here. Our parents are not present here or Trump or Mel Gibson.

Now you are acting like in your response why they should be treated any different rather they view the site or not contradicts your other response.


Internet has been buggy lately because I have been getting lot of confused responses from people (not just here, Reddit too) making no sense so either my brain has been acting up or people have been really weird lately. :?


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03 Aug 2020, 4:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
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It is heartening to see so many responses to this thread and to see people coming back to post about why they left, or why others have left.  As a regular current member I would like to personally thank you for taking the time to do this, I feel less of a lone voice and it provides an opportunity that silence could not facilitate.  It shows a willingness to help WP improve.
In spite of all the hassles, it is heartening for me to be the catalyst of improvement, if not the cause itself.
Honestly, I cant see your words in the same way as I used to, since the Haven reply you posted and deleted.
Which one?  I've posted lots of things in The Haven (and elsewhere) that I've regretted, and then gone back and deleted or asked the mods to delete.  If I worried all of the time whether or not my posts would offend someone, I would never post again.
It must of been one you deleted about a month ago, the mods would of had to take action if they had seen it... I was caught off guard and too taken aback to think of getting screenshot evidence instantly, when I went back a few mins later to take action the post was gone, thankfully. If its reminiscent of something a caustic relative would have said, definitely don't say it.
Like I said, I do that sometimes -- post something, regret it, then delete it.  I'm not completely lacking a conscience.



It's sad how some people will see that as you covering your tracks than you correcting yourself because you are concerned it might offend people or it might be taken the wrong way.


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03 Aug 2020, 4:19 pm

domineekee wrote:
I respect your intentions but........

Where is the bulling?

I've seen personalities clash, then members assume victimhood.

These "victims" are quite happy to bring the site down with them if they can't get their way.

Ferris's weird Kamakazi mission was partly in defence of the defenceless, persecuted victims that are endlessly threatening to leave us and crying foul. :roll:

This feels like further symptoms of the same malaise.

Don't trip over yourselves every time the baby cries.


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03 Aug 2020, 4:26 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Amity wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Amity wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Amity wrote:
It is heartening to see so many responses to this thread and to see people coming back to post about why they left, or why others have left.  As a regular current member I would like to personally thank you for taking the time to do this, I feel less of a lone voice and it provides an opportunity that silence could not facilitate.  It shows a willingness to help WP improve.
In spite of all the hassles, it is heartening for me to be the catalyst of improvement, if not the cause itself.
Honestly, I cant see your words in the same way as I used to, since the Haven reply you posted and deleted.
Which one?  I've posted lots of things in The Haven (and elsewhere) that I've regretted, and then gone back and deleted or asked the mods to delete.  If I worried all of the time whether or not my posts would offend someone, I would never post again.
It must of been one you deleted about a month ago, the mods would of had to take action if they had seen it... I was caught off guard and too taken aback to think of getting screenshot evidence instantly, when I went back a few mins later to take action the post was gone, thankfully. If its reminiscent of something a caustic relative would have said, definitely don't say it.
Like I said, I do that sometimes -- post something, regret it, then delete it.  I'm not completely lacking a conscience.



It's sad how some people will see that as you covering your tracks than you correcting yourself because you are concerned it might offend people or it might be taken the wrong way.


:roll:


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