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31 Jul 2020, 8:41 am

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I see one member (Let's not beat about the bush here - Fnord) who is horrible and very unwelcoming to the younger male members of this site. It's really not on. I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet. I've seen very nice potential new members basically put off this site because he's reported them for supposedly being misogynist or something else he tries to make up about them that's nasty.
Amen to that,couldn't have said it better.
I do not have to make up anything when there has been a clear violation of The Rules.

(I do not have to defend myself to mob rule, either.)

However, other people seem to be making up lies about me for trying to help the mods maintain some sense of order.
You know you bully people,you know that,you may posses the cleverness to stay in the ballpark of the grey areas of the rules.Are you going to say that in real life off the web,if you say something cruel to someone it's ok because you didn't break a law.
It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs, their fallacious reasoning, or their improper use of the English language.  Some people just cannot stand to be corrected.



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31 Jul 2020, 8:44 am

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It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs or their fallacious reasoning


I think that's what some here believe they are trying to do to you.


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31 Jul 2020, 8:49 am

Personal attacks are not Making It Better for The Future Of WP :(

Fnord, correcting others is often interpreted as showing off one's superiority. This can be interpreted as viewing others as lesser beings and this can be a form of bullying.
Yes, I like to be corrected when I'm wrong but some do take it personally.

That said, standard rules against personal attacks do not have an "unless attacking Fnord" clause. It is not acceptable to personally attack any member.


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31 Jul 2020, 8:51 am

I have not attacked Fnord


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31 Jul 2020, 8:52 am

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I have not attacked Fnord

You didn't.


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31 Jul 2020, 8:54 am

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I have not attacked Fnord

You didn't.


Sorry


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31 Jul 2020, 8:55 am

magz wrote:
... standard rules against personal attacks do not have an "unless attacking Fnord" clause.  It is not acceptable to personally attack any member.
Thanks, Magz.  It's been that way since grade school:

• "Beating up on younger kids is wrong ... unless you're beating up on Fnordie."

• "Copying from other kids' tests is wrong ... unless it's Fnordie's test."

• "Lying is wrong ... unless you're lying about Fnordie."

• "Stealing is wrong ... unless you steal from Fnordie."

• Et cetera...

Hypocrisy runs rampant around here, it seems.



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31 Jul 2020, 8:57 am

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It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs, their fallacious reasoning, or their improper use of the English language.  Some people just cannot stand to be corrected.[/color]




Correcting a small spelling or grammar mistake just to invalidate a point you don't want to hear,people with good grammar and good verbal communication skills never learn anything,because they use every persons communication difficulties to ignore what they don't want to hear.


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31 Jul 2020, 8:57 am

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I have not attacked Fnord
You didn't.
Sorry

It's okay :)


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31 Jul 2020, 9:00 am

I have not seen Fnord attack anyone but a few here see it that way so I'll play Devils Advocate. You appear to be defending Fnord while others appear to be defending others - is there a difference in the two behaviours apart from you being a bit more articulate in your reasoning?


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31 Jul 2020, 9:02 am

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I have not seen Fnord attack anyone but a few here see it that way so I'll play Devils Advocate. You appear to be defending Fnord while others appear to be defending others - is there a difference in the two behaviours apart from you being a bit more articulate in your reasoning?
Not just more articulate, but more adept.  Magz has always impressed me with her intelligence.



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31 Jul 2020, 9:10 am

The bullying issue, where one member is targeted repeatedly by another member is a pattern that can be observed...

The rules could be adapted to include the term 'pattern' or if not there could be mod consensus that a pattern of this type of low level bullying behaviour is part of this section on the existing rules: "behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members".


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31 Jul 2020, 9:12 am

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It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs, their fallacious reasoning, or their improper use of the English language.  Some people just cannot stand to be corrected.[/color]


So your saying your the expert on what is reasoning-very arrogant!


..are you trying to suggest that all reasoning is valid?


Also: You're*


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31 Jul 2020, 9:15 am

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The bullying issue, where one member is targeted repeatedly by another member is a pattern that can be observed...
You could also say that "... one member is targeted repeatedly by other members..." is an on-going bullying issue; like when one member is singled out by several others as the most convenient target of their hatred and contempt without ever showing a justifiable cause for their behavior.



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31 Jul 2020, 9:17 am

Vermont savant is one of the people ive observed actively lodging complaints about bullying, requesting that action is taken

It seems that he has yet to be taken seriously.


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31 Jul 2020, 9:21 am

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It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs, their fallacious reasoning, or their improper use of the English language.  Some people just cannot stand to be corrected.
So your saying your the expert on what is reasoning-very arrogant!
I neither stated nor implied that; you inferred it.
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Your the god source for true belief-even more arrogant!
Your statement lacks any basis in reality.
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Correcting a small spelling or grammar mistake just to invalidate a point you don't want to hear,people with good grammar and good verbal communication skills never learn anything,because they use every persons communication difficulties to ignore what they don't want to hear.
Sweeping generalizations tend to make entire arguments invalid.
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Your only hurting yourself there.
No, I'm only watching others dig themselves deeper.



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