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03 Aug 2020, 6:41 pm

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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


One doesn't need to be a card-carrying member of a white supremacist organization to be a white supremacist, if one consistently argues in favour of placing the interests of whites ahead of others that's adequate enough for the term to be applicable. Raising the bar to avoid offending those who might otherwise meet the definition seems like backing away to avoid having to call a spade a spade.


evidence , please


Did you have a rebuttal or just that meme? :roll:


i would just like to see evidence of white supremacy on this forum as i have not seen any


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03 Aug 2020, 6:42 pm

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https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/white-supremacy

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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


And there is nothing in there about "white supremecy" including disagreeing with the violence and rioting that is happening under the "BLM" banner (often by non "black" people). Similarly, stating that ALL lives should matter, as a way of indicating that the cause behind the latest series of protests (Mr Floyd) affects people of all races is not indicating a particular race is more "important" than others, but rather that all races are equally important, as are the lives of people of all races, yet I have seen responces here to those making these statements where they are called "white supremecists".



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03 Aug 2020, 6:43 pm

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I don't really understand gaslighting. No doubt others have done it to me.

I seem to sometimes be a target for hidden bullying. It is just a way of life I guess.


Gaslighting is what certain posters are doing when they act like expressing disagreement with their preferences and opinions is inherently bullying. :wink:

But dissagreeing with someone is not bullying? If it is we all do it. We have to or we will be liars to pretend to agree with everything.


Calling people names and slures isn’t disagreeing with people
Or is is it ok ever time I disagree with woman here to call them a slut or b***h, or c**t?

People here are actively constantly violating the rules. Sorry calling people you disagree with nazi, white supremist, dog with fleas, etc isn’t “just disagreeing.

It’s exactly what the rules forbid.

Anyone who is in here covering for and making excuses for such behavior is just as bad as those who do it.


If someone consistently puts the interests and concerns of white people ahead of those of other people is it unfair to refer to that person as a white supremacist when they meet the definition? Acting insulted to be described by a label that one meets the definition of is dishonest and an example of gaslighting.

What you describe is not an example of gaslighting but more an example of hypocrisy, defined as follows:

Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character traits or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence, in a general sense, hypocrisy may involve dissimulation, pretense, or a sham.

Gaslighting is described though as follows:

Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgment, often evoking in them cognitive dissonance and other changes including low self-esteem.


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03 Aug 2020, 6:44 pm

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I think they missed "evidence please"?



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03 Aug 2020, 6:45 pm

B.Sisko wrote:
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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


One doesn't need to be a card-carrying member of a white supremacist organization to be a white supremacist, if one consistently argues in favour of placing the interests of whites ahead of others that's adequate enough for the term to be applicable. Raising the bar to avoid offending those who might otherwise meet the definition seems like backing away to avoid having to call a spade a spade.


evidence , please


Did you have a rebuttal or just that meme? :roll:


i would just like to see evidence of white supremacy on this forum as i have not seen any


You've never seen people express the idea that these issues shouldn't be taken seriously and are the fault of the communities dealing with them because (insert negative stereotype here)? You must not spend much time in PPR.


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03 Aug 2020, 6:46 pm

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I think they missed "evidence please"?


I'm not sure Sisko was being a bully or gaslighting me, he may be genuinely unfamiliar with the board. :wink:


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03 Aug 2020, 6:48 pm

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https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/white-supremacy

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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


And there is nothing in there about "white supremecy" including disagreeing with the violence and rioting that is happening under the "BLM" banner (often by non "black" people). Similarly, stating that ALL lives should matter, as a way of indicating that the cause behind the latest series of protests (Mr Floyd) affects people of all races is not indicating a particular race is more "important" than others, but rather that all races are equally important, as are the lives of people of all races, yet I have seen responces here to those making these statements where they are called "white supremecists".


i have seen racist people use the slogan 'all lives matter' so that may be why

i would suggest not using that slogan so there is no confusion


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03 Aug 2020, 6:52 pm

Brictoria wrote:
B.Sisko wrote:
https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/white-supremacy

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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


And there is nothing in there about "white supremecy" including disagreeing with the violence and rioting that is happening under the "BLM" banner (often by non "black" people). Similarly, stating that ALL lives should matter, as a way of indicating that the cause behind the latest series of protests (Mr Floyd) affects people of all races is not indicating a particular race is more "important" than others, but rather that all races are equally important, as are the lives of people of all races, yet I have seen responces here to those making these statements where they are called "white supremecists".



As stated before - on this website, if you don't see a particular point being made that you feel is important -
you are welcome to post it yourself. It isn't facebook, where likes and emojis reflect on your own statement either, it's easy to say yourself anf know you said it so that way there is never a need to say XYZ thing wasn't said since it was (by you)


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03 Aug 2020, 6:56 pm

i am neither a bully or a gaslighter

after reading this thread PPR its not for me

i have not seen the poster sly279 anywhere on the forum so requested evidence for that reason


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03 Aug 2020, 6:59 pm

B.Sisko wrote:
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https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/white-supremacy

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White supremacy is a term used to characterize various belief systems central to which are one or more of the following key tenets: 1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own "culture" that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people. As a full-fledged ideology, white supremacy is far more encompassing than simple racism or bigotry. Most white supremacists today further believe that the white race is in danger of extinction due to a rising “flood” of non-whites, who are controlled and manipulated by Jews, and that imminent action is need to “save” the white race.


And there is nothing in there about "white supremecy" including disagreeing with the violence and rioting that is happening under the "BLM" banner (often by non "black" people). Similarly, stating that ALL lives should matter, as a way of indicating that the cause behind the latest series of protests (Mr Floyd) affects people of all races is not indicating a particular race is more "important" than others, but rather that all races are equally important, as are the lives of people of all races, yet I have seen responces here to those making these statements where they are called "white supremecists".


i have seen racist people use the slogan 'all lives matter' so that may be why

i would suggest not using that slogan so there is no confusion


But, with there also being racists using the "Black Lives Matter" in a way to indicate that ONLY Black lives matter, and other races are of no value, similarly should that phrase be avoided?

Is it better to give in to the racists (of any race) and let them have what they "take", or to instead reclaim it?



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03 Aug 2020, 7:13 pm

i cannot post with quotes but i think you are referring to prejudice not racism

but yes i would speak out on it

but i would not fight prejudice with something that could be mistaken for racism


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i cannot post with quotes but i think you are referring to prejudice not racism
1. You can post with quotes.  Click on the "Select BBCode".  Click on "Quote Text".  Type or paste your quote between the first right square bracket ("]") and the second left square bracket ("[").

2. Prejudice ("Pre-Judgement") is an expression of racism and other forms of bigotry.


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1. You can post with quotes.  Click on the "Select BBCode".  Click on "Quote Text".  Type or paste your quote between the first right square bracket ("]") and the second left square bracket ("[").

2. Prejudice ("Pre-Judgement") is an expression of racism and other forms of bigotry.


thanks

i was taught that by definition people of colour cannot be racist


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03 Aug 2020, 7:34 pm

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But, with there also being racists using the "Black Lives Matter" in a way to indicate that ONLY Black lives matter, and other races are of no value, similarly should that phrase be avoided?

Is it better to give in to the racists (of any race) and let them have what they "take", or to instead reclaim it?


Can you cite an example of this?


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03 Aug 2020, 7:39 pm

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I think they missed "evidence please"?


I'm not sure Sisko was being a bully or gaslighting me, he may be genuinely unfamiliar with the board. :wink:


That wasn't aimed at Sisko...Just an unfortunate coincidence of timing.

It was more of a case where "evidence please" is commonly used by member(s) which could equally be seen to fit within the "gaslighting" description because it can be substituted with "I never said that", "What are you talking about", "You're remembering things wrong" or several others in the image.



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03 Aug 2020, 7:41 pm

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It was more of a case where "evidence please" is commonly used by member(s) which could equally be seen to fit within the "gaslighting" description because it can be substituted with "I never said that", "What are you talking about", "You're remembering things wrong" or several others in the image.


There's a bunch of snarky memes that posters will use as responses rather than contributing something more meaningful. That's just one of them but we should all strive to be better than resorting to those sorts of thought-terminating responses.


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