Making it Better: The future of WP

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In other countries (maybe also n america but everything here is more humane and more logical) the ignoring of issues is based on poverty..
Ppl who are wealthy think first of themselves..


Charity and opportunities to advance yourself if u cannot afford private schooling (like free public education and public libraries and community centres)

would go a LONG way towards creating a more fair and improved society.. In the places im thinking about.
Instead they just build malls

Small kids might not be able to express it, but at least some toddlers can absolutely feel embarrassment or humiliation.

I was embarrassed when my father changed my nappy in front of my grandparents when I was 2-3 years old. I was embarrassed for them to see that and so I wriggled.

My cousin's girlfriend brought her little brother over at times, he was only 16 months at the time. One day that summer we played with him when the little boy got all whiny and upset. He gave me glances and pulled at his sister to get her away. She kept asking him 'what's the matter', to which he would make whiny noises and pull at her again. I thought maybe he needed to go to the bathroom and didn't want me to understand it because he didn't really know me. But then I thought that surely his sister would understand if that was the case, plus he was just 16 months old so I thought he was too young to feel like that. But he pulled her towards the bathroom. Obviously I didn't follow or ask, and granted I don't know what he felt or thought, but it certainly seemed like he was embarrassed.
And I certainly was at a year or so older than him.

I said my first words when I was only a few months old and I remember saying them too! I found that school was the most difficult time of my life.

So, to you, a person in a completely different country advocating that all people should receive the same treatment is a "White supremecist"?

No-one has claimed that people in communities which face problems shouldn't receive appropriate help, but they HAVE pointed out that only concerning how something impacts on those of a given race (instead of anyone regardless of race) is taking a racist view of the issue.

One of the problems in this respect is that all people or peoples should not be treated the same but individually according to their needs, with different cultures having different value systems and environmental norms, which you go on to state as follows:


Just thought I would clarify on the issue as quite a few people stumble on the everyone should receive the same treatment thing.

It's called prejudice. All humans are prejudice.

There is a difference in how a person is "treated" and what "support they are provided". These are not the same thing as you suggest - A police office, for example, should treat each person they interact with in the same way. This same Police officer isn't responsible (nor trained\equipped) to provide "support" to the community to remove some "disadvantage", which would be handled by a different area of government.

If a community has an issue, then this should be addressed, but the treatment of an individual should not vary based on their "community" or "race". Different treatment based on a person's race\community only serves to divide society. Equal treatment of individuals, with support to communities as required can help bring society together.

I thought evidence please was just something people say when their words get twisted. People will also say things like "show me where I have said it" and the accuser can have the option to go back and find those posts of yours and quote them so you can see where they are coming from with their accusation. This is what I do when my words are twisted or when false claims get made about me. I tell them to show me where they feel I have done it.

Most of the time it's just people getting hung up with choice of words and somehow one word means something else to them so hence the false claims. Sometimes I don't even need to ask for proof because it's obvious where they are getting their accusations from and because it is obvious they are just trying to change the topic so I get distracted which is a common tactic politicians use.

Well put.

funeralxempires wrote "If someone consistently puts the interests and concerns of white people ahead of those of other people is it unfair to refer to that person as a white supremacist when they meet the definition?"

Those are different definitions. funeralxempires definition has nothing to do with the interpretation that one race is better or superior to another race.

The definition of prejudice is "an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc. : a feeling of like or dislike for someone or something especially when it is not reasonable or logical." He has redefined prejudiced into white supremacists.

If funeralxempires refers to another member as a white supremacist then he applying a derogatory term against another member.

An example of word twisting that just happened.


Someone wanted to know on another if they were AITA (am I the a**hole) for confiscating their wife's debit and credit card (she doesn't understand credit so she will spend spend spend and put them into deep debt and also clean out their bank account they wouldn't be able to pay their bills) and I wrote:

His response was:



I just laughed and ignored his question because where in my post did I say he sucked lmao? I even re read it thinking I told him he sucked and OMG, was I just gas lighted because I had to go over my post to see where I said he sucked. This is a genuine question here. Good thing this is online because I can go over my stuff and it will be harder to gas light me when I can go back and read my stuff to see where I said it.

Somehow me saying him marrying her was a big mistake and choosing to marry her and stay with her somehow translated into me saying he sucks for holding onto her unconditionally.

This always happens everyone.

Care to elaborate on what you meant by ESH? As I understand it:

Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ESH

As such, your post ended with you doing exactly what you then denied:

In some cultures it is considered friendly to smile whilst displaying the teeth ~ whilst in other cultures it shows you are being aggressive and threatening. As in other cultures it is appropriate to bow rather than to shake hands. In the west it is considered polite to finish a meal, whist in the east it is considered polite to leave some of the meal. If you steal in some places you will get a fine and in other places you will have your hand cut off. Which is what I was referring to rather than suggesting in terms of people and peoples needing to be treated individually ~ as also applies with neurologically typical, atypical and divergent people in terms of requiring different considerations when interacting with them.

The one-size-fits-all way of thinking that some light skinned cultures adhere to is what some dark skinned cultures find particularly frustrating on account of different cultural values that are not relevant or as relevant to them ~ which is what some people stumble over and why the white privilege issue is raised. For example, if an American takes an African Intelligence Quota test and an African takes an American Intelligence Quota test ~ both individuals will not do as well if they were doing the IQ tests that are culturally specific to them.

You seem to be under the impression that one can only be a white supremacist if they preach some sort of 'master race' nonsense and basing all of your conclusions on that overly strict definition. Sorry Jimmy, but imma keep calling a spade a spade.

Last edited by envirozentinel on 04 Aug 2020, 3:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.: personal remarks excised

Funeralxempire, I don't recall clashing with you on this issue but there's a practical tip: it's easier to digest a feedback like "this policy you propose is racist / white supremacist" than "you're a racist / white supremacist".
It's especially true when someone is unaware of their racial bias, and ready to unconciously employ all the psychological defenses not to see themself as "the bad guy".

^Thanks. I think people might sometimes be unaware they have a bias. I myself went through racist phases many years ago, but it was more on a political level than a social level. An incident in the late 1980s made me realize how hurtful social apartheid was. I was staying in a lodging house and hosting my birthday party - one of the guests was a well dressed Black pastor a friend of mine had brought. The manageress knocked on the door and said I should ask him to leave - based on race. I stood up to her. One of the girls at the party had to calm me down as I was on a meltdown level and steaming, having yelled at the manageress and put the door chain in place.

I think that was a turning point for me Nothing beats personal experience of injustice.