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04 Aug 2020, 3:17 pm
sly279 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Maybe it would just be better if Alex made a new rule saying "no calling anyone out on their racism, white supremacy, etc but disagreeing is fine but no calling them that" because of different perspectives. It's hard to enforce the rule when everyone comes from different backgrounds and has different interpretations and different perspectives. But if you make a specific rule like that, it's easier to enforce.
Of course the next thing you know, people would still be accused of breaking that rule because someone can say they were called that even if the person didn't literally say it.
Not everyone sees it as an attack to calling someone out on their racism or white supremacy if spade is a spade. This is also part of the advocacy and activism too for people of color. To support them, you need to call people out on their racism and white supremacy so they are made aware because society had ingrained that into them. So the "no personal attacks" rule is hard to follow due to different perspectives. Or another rule can be added, no advocating for minorities.
Just read books about it like White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and Me and White Supremacy by Layla F Saad. They even mention the same thing that you must call people out on it and they are fragile when they get offended and get defensive.
I kept thinking, of course they get defensive when they think they are being accused. No one likes to get accused. People care more about intentions than actions so they get defensive when they are told that is racist or white supremacy.
Racism is a very fragile topic.
Of course the next thing you know, people would still be accused of breaking that rule because someone can say they were called that even if the person didn't literally say it.
Not everyone sees it as an attack to calling someone out on their racism or white supremacy if spade is a spade. This is also part of the advocacy and activism too for people of color. To support them, you need to call people out on their racism and white supremacy so they are made aware because society had ingrained that into them. So the "no personal attacks" rule is hard to follow due to different perspectives. Or another rule can be added, no advocating for minorities.
Just read books about it like White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and Me and White Supremacy by Layla F Saad. They even mention the same thing that you must call people out on it and they are fragile when they get offended and get defensive.
I kept thinking, of course they get defensive when they think they are being accused. No one likes to get accused. People care more about intentions than actions so they get defensive when they are told that is racist or white supremacy.
Racism is a very fragile topic.
2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
Your compliance is very much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone.
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04 Aug 2020, 3:22 pm
magz wrote:
Can someone explain to me, what are you so angry about? I gather, it's something from other threads?
If you gave a reference to that which you were referring ~ the person in question would be in a better position than anyone else to answer your question perhaps magz?
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04 Aug 2020, 3:23 pm
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Funeralxempire is generally sensitive to anything even slightly resembling white supremacism.
Mostly I'm frustrated that a community that has generally been subjected to bullying and gaslighting personally at some point in their lifetimes are so willing to engage in those behaviours in some contexts, like when someone's been a victim of police brutality and immediately posters justify it with stereotypes or when yet again indigenous people are protesting misuse of their land and posters insist that we're backwards and just need to accept that other people know what's best. This is common enough that it's sometimes hard to tell if it's just a consistent reaction or if it's a broader attitude towards black and indigenous causes. It might be both depending on the specific individual. Then when you bring this up you're gaslit about it and bullied if you refuse to stop bringing it up.
To be fair, this experience isn't just limited to this forum, it's basically been my experience in 'working class' circles my entire adult/working life. It's not even entirely the fault of the posters spewing ignorance, our school system makes no real effort to teach black or indigenous history, or a broader view of colonialism so of course most of us just accept the indoctrination. Of course we can't discuss the massive thefts that colonialism was built upon without triggering apologists so acknowledging this racist legacy or it's modern effects is unlikely to ever happen.
I agree almost all colonial history is awful (probably easier for me because, while "white", I'm also indigenous
) and the consequences are still there. We should learn more for better future.I'm sorry if I sounded dismissive. I was just trying to understand why Sly was so upset.
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04 Aug 2020, 3:29 pm
magz wrote:
I agree almost all colonial history is awful (probably easier for me because, while "white", I'm also indigenous ) and the consequences are still there. We should learn more for better future.
I'm sorry if I sounded dismissive. I was just trying to understand why Sly was so upset.
) and the consequences are still there. We should learn more for better future.I'm sorry if I sounded dismissive. I was just trying to understand why Sly was so upset.
A little, but just like with a lot of other posters I have an understanding of where you stand and what you've said before so while I felt the need to explain myself I wasn't really taking the 'dismissiveness' as a slight, since you seemed like the goal was being concise, not purposefully dismissive.
I think I've mentioned finding Poland or Ireland's place in that whole mess interesting because it's less clear cut than say England or Spain or France.
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04 Aug 2020, 3:31 pm
League_Girl wrote:
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Mountain Goat wrote:
I have seen some rules and I think "How is it possible to remain on this site without breaking at least one of them?" I don't try to, but it depends how strict they are applied. I read the last bit in blue. Direct or not etc. (How does one know if one has indirectly broken rules by saying something that means one thing to me but something completely different to someone else?)
I tend to fear breaking rules and I have left sites or other things which to me seem difficult to keep as the wording may be seen by some to be words that mean a more general meaning, but to me they mean exactly what they say.
I tend to fear breaking rules and I have left sites or other things which to me seem difficult to keep as the wording may be seen by some to be words that mean a more general meaning, but to me they mean exactly what they say.
What we have is someone knownly directly violating the rules and saying I don’t care if they ban me for it.
You’d rather have no rules? I’m currently leaning to thst. Currently the rules are only enforced on non left leaning people. Atleast if there’s no rules I could fight back.
I can’t even be left alone being mute in a single thread on the forum. No that’s not enough. This is the single most worse forum on the internet
Whenever I show people wp they all say “wow that’s a horrible site why do you go there. Sure doesn’t look like a support site.”
There is actually a form called intensity squared. That is where members would go when they felt censored here. Lot of members banned from here would go there.
Is it possible to get banned from there? Yeah but you would have to spam or threaten the forum.
I wouldn't recommend going there for if you can't handle being attacked since there are no rules there. BTW the right wing do believe in freedom of speech and believe it's right for people to bully and attack others because of freedom of speech and you just need a thick skin to ignore it and if you are being harassed, go to your boss or something.
I hear they do not have any politics on Aspies Central I think is now called Autism Forums. I would recommend that place than I2. Lot of WP members have seem to have gone there from here because they felt the same way.
They do have politics on Aspergers and Autism Forums. You have to request permission to be enabled to participate and if you don't want it then you have no access. They ask what your political affiliation is in advance.
There are many many ex WP's there and some who still participate
here also
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