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04 Aug 2020, 5:18 pm

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I think I would find it hard to not get mad if someone believed the Holocaust never happened or if they thought it should be fine for adults to date kids because of culture you know. These are extreme examples and it would be very difficult to be civil about it.

There are other topics out there where people would have troubles staying civil, transgender, racial issues, homosexuality and those marginalized would have difficulty staying civil and their allies. I have seen worse so I do not believe funeralexmpire has attacked anyone. I have seen on Twitter what people have done to people online who make transphobic comments or homophobic comments.

I know of one group on Fetlife that was trans-friendly and would kick anyone out if they said there are only two genders or wrote anything transphobic (rather intentional or unintentional) or if you compared your kink to LGBT. It would get pretty hostile and it would be trans people and allies against cis person before one of the group admins booted them out.


But isn't that the problem? It's fine to get mad, I do too. It's still your choice if you're going to lash out or not. Sometimes I have to sit on my hands, go do something else and post an answer when I'm calm(er). How many times have you "cured" a bigot or changed anybody's mind by insulting them online or offline? At best it silences them or makes them hide, but, if anything, it's going to cement their prejudices. And how about the times when we misunderstand or make assumptions and attack people instead of asking questions?

I think we can do a lot better than Twitter, don't you? :twisted:

I have no problem with funeralexmpire, he's smart and can be very articulate when he wants to. I talked to him a couple of times and understand how important racial issues are to him (rightly so) and I've seen he also struggles a lot with all kind of stuff in his private life. But so does sly (whom I've never personally seen making racist remarks) and others, I'm only trying to keep perspective here.



The best I saw ever happening was on a ABDL forum, someone was Jerry (Karen) about the kink and then doing the "But I love you all" Barney BS. I got so angry at her I couldn't post anything without breaking any forum rules but I let others handle it by telling her off in a civil manner. Then everyone just ignored her. I remember I put her on my ignore list and I didn't even know she was cancelled on the forum until a year later when I saw her posting somewhere else saying how she got ignored because people didn't accept her opinions. I guess too many people put her on their ignore list.

But I felt satisfied hearing how she got ignored.

No we will never cure bigots but what will happen is they will just go somewhere else and post their bigotry there and be in their echo chamber. We just wouldn't see their right wing crap anymore just like how we never see any Holocaust denial stuff. They have their own websites for that.

Funny thing is intensitysquared is supposed to be freedom of speech site but I guess even the Holocaust denial topic was too much for us to handle because that troll got himself banned. He was banned from here too for that crap. Everyone called him a Nazi. That was the first time I ever heard about Holocaust denial and couldn't believe such websites existed so that meant anyone can find anything online to back up their opinion.


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04 Aug 2020, 5:32 pm

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Can someone explain to me, what are you so angry about? I gather, it's something from other threads?

If you gave a reference to that which you were referring ~ the person in question would be in a better position than anyone else to answer your question perhaps magz?

You plural. Everyone engaged in the heated exchange.

Rather than being angry I was myself being calm and informative.

I do not get angry at words on pages as I enjoy better contextualising them and seeking clarification, and I have to stop doing anything that I can stop doing if I start getting tense as that results in having Psychogenic Non Epileptic Seizures if I don't. Had to start doing transcendental meditation back in 1994 to manage this better.

Most people like the fact I do not get angry and those who try and make me angry tend to get very frustrated or angry themselves. My last relationship in fact ended on the basis that my partner needed a man who got angry!

I did use the very happy smily as I really enjoy sharing information and reading other people's perspectives on things.


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04 Aug 2020, 5:34 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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I think I would find it hard to not get mad if someone believed the Holocaust never happened or if they thought it should be fine for adults to date kids because of culture you know. These are extreme examples and it would be very difficult to be civil about it.

There are other topics out there where people would have troubles staying civil, transgender, racial issues, homosexuality and those marginalized would have difficulty staying civil and their allies. I have seen worse so I do not believe funeralexmpire has attacked anyone. I have seen on Twitter what people have done to people online who make transphobic comments or homophobic comments.

I know of one group on Fetlife that was trans-friendly and would kick anyone out if they said there are only two genders or wrote anything transphobic (rather intentional or unintentional) or if you compared your kink to LGBT. It would get pretty hostile and it would be trans people and allies against cis person before one of the group admins booted them out.


But isn't that the problem? It's fine to get mad, I do too. It's still your choice if you're going to lash out or not. Sometimes I have to sit on my hands, go do something else and post an answer when I'm calm(er). How many times have you "cured" a bigot or changed anybody's mind by insulting them online or offline? At best it silences them or makes them hide, but, if anything, it's going to cement their prejudices. And how about the times when we misunderstand or make assumptions and attack people instead of asking questions?

I think we can do a lot better than Twitter, don't you? :twisted:

I have no problem with funeralexmpire, he's smart and can be very articulate when he wants to. I talked to him a couple of times and understand how important racial issues are to him (rightly so) and I've seen he also struggles a lot with all kind of stuff in his private life. But so does sly (whom I've never personally seen making racist remarks) and others, I'm only trying to keep perspective here.



The best I saw ever happening was on a ABDL forum


what is a ABDL forum


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04 Aug 2020, 5:47 pm

B.Sisko wrote:
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I think I would find it hard to not get mad if someone believed the Holocaust never happened or if they thought it should be fine for adults to date kids because of culture you know. These are extreme examples and it would be very difficult to be civil about it.

There are other topics out there where people would have troubles staying civil, transgender, racial issues, homosexuality and those marginalized would have difficulty staying civil and their allies. I have seen worse so I do not believe funeralexmpire has attacked anyone. I have seen on Twitter what people have done to people online who make transphobic comments or homophobic comments.

I know of one group on Fetlife that was trans-friendly and would kick anyone out if they said there are only two genders or wrote anything transphobic (rather intentional or unintentional) or if you compared your kink to LGBT. It would get pretty hostile and it would be trans people and allies against cis person before one of the group admins booted them out.


But isn't that the problem? It's fine to get mad, I do too. It's still your choice if you're going to lash out or not. Sometimes I have to sit on my hands, go do something else and post an answer when I'm calm(er). How many times have you "cured" a bigot or changed anybody's mind by insulting them online or offline? At best it silences them or makes them hide, but, if anything, it's going to cement their prejudices. And how about the times when we misunderstand or make assumptions and attack people instead of asking questions?

I think we can do a lot better than Twitter, don't you? :twisted:

I have no problem with funeralexmpire, he's smart and can be very articulate when he wants to. I talked to him a couple of times and understand how important racial issues are to him (rightly so) and I've seen he also struggles a lot with all kind of stuff in his private life. But so does sly (whom I've never personally seen making racist remarks) and others, I'm only trying to keep perspective here.



The best I saw ever happening was on a ABDL forum


what is a ABDL forum



ABDL=adult baby/diaper lover forum.

I can't go any further than this because it's a fetish and fetish talks are not allowed here and it's also an adult discussion.


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04 Aug 2020, 5:56 pm

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(Mod note) Cool it please - I'll have no choice but to lock it if it goes so far off course as to head for space. No more getting personal, stick to the facts, opinions and suggestions. This was never meant to become another free-for-all or it would be in PPR.


If things degenerate, could you please remove what crosses the line and keep the thread open enviro?

Very good call BenderRodriguez, very much in favour of that myself! :heart:


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04 Aug 2020, 7:09 pm

One of the biggest problems is the pavlovian "you're a white supremecist" posts that pop up when someone posts anything which challenges\goes against the beliefs of some member(s), yet when pressed for an explanation for this personal attack, the only responce is that the attacker won't give details as to what was wrong as "they have pointed it out too often".

So, in addition to attacking the poster, they are also refusing any chance for the victim to defend themselves as well as failing to "educate" other people (new or old members) who may have only just come across the posts.

If someone can take the time to attack a member in such a way, they should also take the time to also explain WHAT the reasoning behind the attack was (which should have instead been addressed to what was posted, not the person posting it). If they don't feel like explaining their "reasoning" for the attack, then they should not post any reply.

The best way to push people to actions\beliefs\opinions\etc. you do not like is to attack\bully them for things they say or do rather than trying to educate them.



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04 Aug 2020, 7:36 pm

The future of WP is now.

Let’s make it nice for all.

I wish the main combatants could meet in a Dairy Queen, and have burgers and ice cream.



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04 Aug 2020, 7:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
The future of WP is now.

Let’s make it nice for all.

I wish the main combatants could meet in a Dairy Queen, and have burgers and ice cream.


Was waiting for you to pop in.
Honestly believe we should have a circle of respected older members to lead us forward here (sounds silly but i mean it still)

That includes u JimmyM and BlazingStar and Temeraire.. Among others im sure..

Like the Wolf pack did -
in The Jungle Books.
In which Akela their leader reminded me of someone in history.

Except no fighting to the death for this.


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04 Aug 2020, 7:46 pm

Akela is the name of the head of a Cub Scout pack.

Now I know where they got that title from. I always thought it was some Native American (Canadian=First Nations) religious leader.



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04 Aug 2020, 7:59 pm

Akela means alone in Urdu and Hindi...
and Rudyard Kipling even though he was part of colonialism and that-- he loved the different cultures of India and incorporated it into his books even those about animals. But I don't like his book Kim in fact I hate it.


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04 Aug 2020, 8:02 pm

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Yes Bender. Then it may be WP's "swan song." Some members just go straight for the jugular and don't let go, they thrive on conflict. Inevitably they will be the last left still standing and suddenly realise they have driven all the more mellow souls away.


It doesn't have to be that way if people are held to a higher standard of posting. Anecdotally, I used to be on a forum that had a very interesting strategy for their off-topic section: they allowed literally anything, but had a zero-tolerance (three strikes actually) policy for insults and personal attacks against individual members or groups (this included various forms of bigotry, racism etc). People were free to discuss the most weird or controversial stuff you can think of, but they had to do so in a civil and articulate manner. It surely made for some interesting exchanges.

As someone who's not a mellow soul but dislikes bullying or mob mentality, I quite enjoyed that :wink:

Edit to clarify the first edit: I added the last line to defend myself against any suspicion of being a "mellow soul" :P

A higher standard of posting ~ I had to read that out aloud so that I could state that sounds amazing as all the slight and insult inhibited discussions would just open up and become streamlined information exchanges. :heart:

It would also be nice not to be so tired after visiting here, unlike Asperger's & Autism Forums which is really nice, relaxing and restful, as it is first and foremost a support site without attacks being permitted. The following is one of my favourite set of rules:

This is just a reminder about our rules here. First and foremost, this forum is attended to be a friendly support forum for those on and off the spectrum. Helping others is our goal here. We know everyone has bad days but we will take action against posts that flirt with breaking rules if we find the tone of conversation to be rude and unhelpful toward a member here.

So please keep this in mind while posting!


How many posts would be gone if that rule applied here retrospectively! 8O :wink:


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04 Aug 2020, 8:12 pm

When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.


And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.


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04 Aug 2020, 8:15 pm

You’re pretty well-read. Have you read Dostoyevsky?

Literary Arabic is noted for being a exquisitely poetic language.



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04 Aug 2020, 8:25 pm

Yes only 2 books by him but tuned out here and there...
I dont care for Arabic novels and short stories. I think they are quite simplistic, obvious, lack skillfulness and not as much finesse - in that form at least (idk about poetry which is supposed to be good ).
The characters are so obvious too. I just know what point these supposed award winning writers are trying to make from almost the outset--

But they seem so impressed with themselves that they extend details where there isn't a need to compensate for lack of depth.

They are elegant but in a way that you can equally say they are just undeveloped.

Ive read simple short stories from other languages, translations, that can be both elegant and complex which shows real skill.


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04 Aug 2020, 8:27 pm

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I do think that choosing to focus on support for autism and related issues rather than politics would stop the massive migration from here. There must be endless political forums elsewhere but few that support autism.

Even this thread has become a political arena.
Separating the political forum completely and isolating the conflicts to a restricted arena may be WP's salvation. It's in your face constantly even if you try your best to avoid it.

I think if the rules were amended not to include any mention of the word attack and only things like respectful debate and critical evaluation and so fourth as I suggested on page 18, along with an effective moderation team in the sense of a full one rather than incomplete and overwhelmed skeleton team ~ seriously everybody they need to backed up with really good quality self moderation; things would seriously improve. :D


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04 Aug 2020, 8:48 pm

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Can someone explain to me, what are you so angry about? I gather, it's something from other threads?

If you gave a reference to that which you were referring ~ the person in question would be in a better position than anyone else to answer your question perhaps magz?

You plural. Everyone engaged in the heated exchange.

Well, I'm a bit frustrated that several posters seem to be begging the mods to punish me for speaking my opinion.

I am myself not at all interested in you insulting anyone or as such making yourself into mod~fodder, because I would much rather you stated your opinions respectfully and informatively ~ I mean it is obvious you have excellent reasoning skills but the other stuff just does them no favours and obscures them. :(

Follow the rules dude and help make both the present and the future of Wrong Planet better, I mean it is not like you have not got the talent or anything is it? :D


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