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06 Feb 2010, 3:04 pm

I don't really know where to go with this. My experience is that the people who make these accusations resort to more accusations whenever someone disagrees with them, like the comment that I must be "personal friends" with Merle because I'm sticking up for her. I'm not entirely sure what that means. If you mean friends who met outside of WP, the answer is no. If you mean do I consider myself friends with Merle, the answer is yes. When I first came to WP, I heard all of these rumors of unfairness, and at first I believed them. But when I tried to ask more questions of the people spreading the rumors, what I received back were nasty comments and threats, nothing that added up. When I finally got up the courage to PM Merle, she gave me actual answers. She listened to what I had to say and she responded with logical reasoning that addressed the things that I've said. If it's somehow wrong to stick up for someone who is nice to you and makes sense, when the people who are accusing them of nasty things don't make sense at all.. well I must be horrible. If all you have is quips about how I must be biased if I'm sticking up for her, you're just being malicious and creating trouble on purpose-- and convincing me that you're the one in the wrong here.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:07 pm

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Thrown under the bus just because you don't have moderator privileges? That's rather unfair to the rest of us who aren't moderators. Not being a moderator isn't a negative -- it's normal.

I think the feeling "thrown under the bus" is because people are listening to rumors. Anybody else noticed that the people who say the nasty things never give you the whole story? When I've asked the people who say they were threatened or harassed by moderators for more information, like what was said, or why they thought something was harassment, they've gotten nasty and aggressive just to make me shut up. (With the exception of one person who I think listened to rumors and then ended up sounding like the people who were spreading the rumors just because she was afraid the rumors were true.)
Whenever I ask Merle a question, she answers it. Accusations are hurtful, and I don't see how being upset that people are believing rumors and accusations is a sign of guilt.

And on the topic of that link.. it's referring to some kind of "project" relating to WP that's super-top-secret and can't be told to anybody who can't be "trusted," and will be "wreaked" if WP moderators find out. It looks to me like somebody's trying to organize the online equivalent of a lynching mob.


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The only lynching mob is on here, the lynching mod. Its not a coincidence that hundreds of people have been thrown to the slaughter. I guess you must be a personal friend of Merle, so I can understand why you're sticking up for her.


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Alright folks, we're all getting a bit lively here, dontcha think? let's all just step back a second and assess this logically.

That project Maggie linked is.....interesting. Also dead on arrival, locked after a few posts - this is possibly the first I've heard about that (indeed, it's the first time I've visited that site), so it's a stretch to assume that...anyone has anything to do with what was mentioned there.

My interest in this is somewhat academical - I've little to no stake on this site, I don't often come here, I've got other stuff to be doing, but I've an interest in this situation, from both a technical standpoint, as well as seeing what's happened from the perspective of a moderator of another large aspie forum.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:09 pm

Yes, Merle gave you answers, about her side. She's very sly and clever. So her being "nice", could well be an act. I think people who got wound up when you were asking them questions, were probably doing the normal aspie thing when they're in a nasty situation and feel helpless. Merle also PM'd me when I first joined, and was very nice to me. But when she saw posts about the sexist thread "where males stand in this forum" "if men say something we don't like, it'll be deleted". She turned on me, and I saw a totally different side to her. A very sadistic and scary one.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:12 pm

Yeah, you're right Pika. Well I just wanted to add my experience to this issue. I'm pretty sure Alex can find out all the answers here, so lets leave it to him.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:17 pm

I have a PM box full of messages that appear as if I'm dealing with a psychotic in their mode of communicating, via sport with using manipulation to intimidate. Both there and on the forums this has been directed at me. I see the other mod using very low-grade insults and language directed at another then locking the thread behind it and the two seem supportive of each others actions backing each other up in other situations. My sense is they are abusing their power as moderators and pushing their weight and "authority" around quite a lot.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:17 pm

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Yes, Merle gave you answers, about her side. She's very sly and clever. So her being "nice", could well be an act. I think people who got wound up when you were asking them questions, were probably doing the normal aspie thing when they're in a nasty situation and feel helpless. Merle also PM'd me when I first joined, and was very nice to me. But when she saw posts about the sexist thread "where males stand in this forum" "if men say something we don't like, it'll be deleted". She turned on me, and I saw a totally different side to her. A very sadistic and scary one.

I don't believe you. I've disagreed with Merle, I've even done so publicly, and she's continued to give logical answers and her stories always add up.

The people who turned to nastiness did so because they didn't have real reasoning to rely on.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:18 pm

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I have a PM box full of messages that appear as if I'm dealing with a psychotic in their mode of communicating, via sport with using manipulation to intimidate. Both there and on the forums this has been directed at me. I see the other mod using very low-grade insults and language directed at another then locking the thread behind it and the two seem supportive of each others actions backing each other up in other situations. My sense is they are abusing their power as moderators and pushing their weight and "authority" around quite a lot.


Screencap it (alt+printscreen, open paint, press ctrl+v, save), make a folder, collect the lot, hand them into the boss. I tell people on AFF to do the same to me if they feel I'm abusing my powers.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:25 pm

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I have a PM box full of messages that appear as if I'm dealing with a psychotic in their mode of communicating, via sport with using manipulation to intimidate. Both there and on the forums this has been directed at me. I see the other mod using very low-grade insults and language directed at another then locking the thread behind it and the two seem supportive of each others actions backing each other up in other situations. My sense is they are abusing their power as moderators and pushing their weight and "authority" around quite a lot.


I agree. I have as well, but can't get to my messages. And i've seen a lot of locking on here, as straight as mod is beggining to look like they are in the wrong. Just go and look at any thread that is locked.



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06 Feb 2010, 3:28 pm

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Yes, Merle gave you answers, about her side. She's very sly and clever. So her being "nice", could well be an act. I think people who got wound up when you were asking them questions, were probably doing the normal aspie thing when they're in a nasty situation and feel helpless. Merle also PM'd me when I first joined, and was very nice to me. But when she saw posts about the sexist thread "where males stand in this forum" "if men say something we don't like, it'll be deleted". She turned on me, and I saw a totally different side to her. A very sadistic and scary one.

I don't believe you. I've disagreed with Merle, I've even done so publicly, and she's continued to give logical answers and her stories always add up.

The people who turned to nastiness did so because they didn't have real reasoning to rely on.


Its up to you if you choose to be naive, and be manipulated. Its not about disagreeing with her, its what you disagree with her about. If its something like a femminist issue, you'll feel her wrath.

I don't mind you sticking up for her though, everyone needs somebody on their side.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:23 pm

Okay I do not wish to talk about her publicly here. MaggieDoll knows my side of the story as we discussed through PM so I'll leave it at that. She can choose to believe or choose to think I am one of those "trolls." After hearing her side about Sins, well she could be misunderstood because she also goes by patterns in behavior and MD explained what I said to my reply to her final warning sound like something trolls do to back out and a accusation. Because she has dealt with so many trolls, that could be why she didn't answer my questions to help me understand better what she told me. It just proved my point she is bad news when she didn't answer. But because she has accused innocent people of being trolls and banning them unfairly, they were hurt and went to other forums and bad talked about her because they were hurt. So now there is all this hate talk about her and I just don't see why a troll would go to another forum and lie about how they were banned from here. It's more logical to lie about it here under a new account so I just can't see why they would lie at the other board to everyone. I was hurt by her so I ranted about her elsewhere on forums because I was hurt and upset and I needed to vent and let it out. I knew doing it here would not be the answer. I won't say more.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:32 pm

I find it wonderful that, the moment we lose our moderation privileges, how swiftly the membership shows their gratitude to our service. Or at least, I hope, a minority.

When we moderate, we do it for the good of the forum as a whole. I take a utilitarian approach to moderation. That means the strongest amount of good to the most amount of people. If other people are disruptive, and continue to do so, well, we will ban them. This, first and foremost, is a support site for people with AS, not a shooting range or a chance to show off that you or your opinion is foremost amongst all others.

And this is how you treat us in return? You disgust me. Pathetic, petty little minds who cannot get over slights either imagined or exaggerated as justification for doing what you want, regardless of how others feel. You are poor examples of the human race as a whole, regardless of whether or not you have Asperger's, autism, or are an NT.


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06 Feb 2010, 5:34 pm

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The two moderators on this thread make visiting WrongPlanet most unpleasant and even stressful much of the time. :x


http://www.psychforums.com/asperger-syn ... 46083.html



Okay I wanted to say this. After Emor had posted that, her login quit working here and she was unable to recover her password.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:47 pm

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The two moderators on this thread make visiting WrongPlanet most unpleasant and even stressful much of the time. :x


http://www.psychforums.com/asperger-syn ... 46083.html



Okay I wanted to say this. After Emor had posted that, her login quit working here and she was unable to recover her password.


And sins quoted the link, so it was obviously her who did that.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:47 pm

Deleting an entire post history is not something you do by mistake. lac

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I am not aware of entire threads disappearing.

If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).


so in one sweeping gesture, you think of only one reason, the very worst you could think of and you throw every one of your moderators under the bus. Alex, the saddest thing is I actually thought when the chips were down, you be a better man than you are. :?

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Thrown under the bus just because you don't have moderator privileges? That's rather unfair to the rest of us who aren't moderators. Not being a moderator isn't a negative -- it's normal.


in order to be clear it is expressly this comment by Mr. Plank that infers he has prejudged the situation i.e. 'thrown the moderators under the bus'.

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]If this was caused by a moderator, the intent was clearly malicious, and that person will never be a moderator on my forum (or any other one for that matter).


why would it be 'clearly malicious' without investigation?

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Because it's not that easy to do. Clicking a ban button is an easy mistake, deleting a post is pretty easy too deleting an account involves a lot more at at least on SMF boards and to delete all of someones posts even more than that. It screws with the tables on the back up and can cause instability which is way it's not done much.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:48 pm

Moderators manipulating and abusing their authority and power disgusts me.



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06 Feb 2010, 5:58 pm

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I find it wonderful that, the moment we lose our moderation privileges, how swiftly the membership shows their gratitude to our service. Or at least, I hope, a minority.

When we moderate, we do it for the good of the forum as a whole. I take a utilitarian approach to moderation. That means the strongest amount of good to the most amount of people. If other people are disruptive, and continue to do so, well, we will ban them. This, first and foremost, is a support site for people with AS, not a shooting range or a chance to show off that you or your opinion is foremost amongst all others.

And this is how you treat us in return? You disgust me. Pathetic, petty little minds who cannot get over slights either imagined or exaggerated as justification for doing what you want, regardless of how others feel. You are poor examples of the human race as a whole, regardless of whether or not you have Asperger's, autism, or are an NT.


:? 8O

Alex, at last is just doing the right thing. You're being way over the top with your insults. If a mod has done the crime in question, then obviously they aren't acting for the good of the forum. I think members have been speaking up now, because they were too scared to. You're bullies, not supportive.

I heard you've banned members for saying they didn't like your travel blog. That to me is pathetic.