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20 Feb 2011, 10:09 pm

Butterflies wrote:
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Butterflies are u the same butterflies from I2?


Things are getting a bit strange here, and I'd rather not discuss things like that at the moment.

Sorry


I take it as a yes ... I thought you guys at I2 hated Alex and wrong planet ... there is something more going on here.


I wouldn't take it as anything. I have one guy threatening to sue me. One of my posts has been badly screwed with. I am not interested in answering any personal questions at the moment. I would not answer yes, or no to anything right now

For the record I do not speak for anybody other than myself.


I am not threatening to sue you, I am providing a conditional notification. If the libelous impostor profiles attaching my name to reprehensible words which are not mine are not disabled within the by the end of 165 hours, then I will submit all of the data that I've gathered regarding all of the activities of this situation and let the IC3 decide who is in the wrong. If the impostor profiles are disabled/removed/deleted/etc within that time, then I will go no further than archiving the data in the event of future actions on the part of the members of Intensity Squared responsible.



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20 Feb 2011, 10:10 pm

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Pretty sure butterflies isn't a sock puppet if shes the same butteflies from another site.. just my two cents.


Nope, Butterflies is not a sockpuppet. She is the member of the same name within Intensity Squared.


Are you Metallian?


No, I am not.



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20 Feb 2011, 10:10 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Also Para , I'd suggest you harden up ,


An alliteration to PPK's signature which is a mutilated version of a signature I had at the time Volodja (WP name) started this.


And Volodja is a sockpuppet for Sopho?



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20 Feb 2011, 10:20 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
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Butterflies are u the same butterflies from I2?


Things are getting a bit strange here, and I'd rather not discuss things like that at the moment.

Sorry


I take it as a yes ... I thought you guys at I2 hated Alex and wrong planet ... there is something more going on here.


I wouldn't take it as anything. I have one guy threatening to sue me. One of my posts has been badly screwed with. I am not interested in answering any personal questions at the moment. I would not answer yes, or no to anything right now

For the record I do not speak for anybody other than myself.


I am not threatening to sue you, I am providing a conditional notification. If the libelous impostor profiles attaching my name to reprehensible words which are not mine are not disabled within the by the end of 165 hours, then I will submit all of the data that I've gathered regarding all of the activities of this situation and let the IC3 decide who is in the wrong. If the impostor profiles are disabled/removed/deleted/etc within that time, then I will go no further than archiving the data in the event of future actions on the part of the members of Intensity Squared responsible.


What makes you think that it's got anything to do with me? They were pretty funny, but I wouldn't have the ability or wit to do such things.



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21 Feb 2011, 1:33 am

Khan wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Also Para , I'd suggest you harden up ,


An alliteration to PPK's signature which is a mutilated version of a signature I had at the time Volodja (WP name) started this.


And Volodja is a sockpuppet for Sopho?


And who are you a sockpuppet of?



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21 Feb 2011, 4:14 am

What's this I2 that some members here keep talking about? Can someone PM me the link if it's forbidden in public?



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21 Feb 2011, 5:07 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I could go into the PPR forum now and pull out plenty of statements that I object to. Does that mean that they should be removed, and the poster accused of hate-speech?


And what about all of the nasty things said about me by some of the members of intensity squared, as well as all of the libelous impostor profiles made of me throughout the internet just recently?


Not really sure what your point is. Anything that I've said about you that could possibly be construed as nasty has been deleted by a mod. In fact, every interaction I have ever had with you has been deleted. What more would you like to see done about it?


Delete the rest of it also, please.


The mods have done it for you. Every post in which I questioned your sexuality has been deleted along with every innocent post I also made :?


There are 168 hours in a week. You have 168 hours prior to my submission of all the data I have gathered to submit to the IC3, who will work in cooperation with the government of the UK and Scotland.


I think you might have the wrong person :?


How you approach the matter is in your discretion for the next week, after that I will submit all the data I have acquired and let those associated with the IC3 decide. It will be out of everyone's hands then and within the FBI Cyber Crime division and the government of the United Kingdom's hands. Act as you wish upon Wrong Planet, it matters not anymore.


I think that is quite enough Iamnotaparakeet. I have watched your accusations and your reckless abandonment of decency in your dealings with others here.
Iamnotaparakeet you are making direct threats to a member of this board whether you see this or not.

Now my friend let's look at your form.
You know the bible I understand. So looking at your form ought to be welcome "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" John 8-7.
Let's see your form then:

Well ought we examine your saying that "I consider homosexuality to be a perversion and I am strictly heterosexual ..."

Gee on a forum with many homosexual people and you let that one slip and wonder why people fire back at you?

Yet when they do. Yes you call them perverts and they call you latently homosexual.

Volodja http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3368205.html&highlight

My statement is to provide understanding of why I consider your calling of myself an homosexual to be insulting. You're calling me a perversion is an ad hominem attack. You were probably just seeking any random ammunition of words to twist though, but really your type doesn't even need words to twist as you would just as easily twist thin air upon itself. Stay off my threads and do not harass me anymore or I will seek legal action against you

This is attacking a member and as we see above not the first legal threat you have made against a member on here you dislike...this fortnight. (BTW I am aware that this link is no longer viewable. Your friend Lee removed it)

Then I happen to notice that he is also pushing the barrow of racial inequity (reverse racism?) here. Here too they did not appreciate his style and locked the thread there. A particular ability that seems to be in fullswing here too.

http://omgili.com/apply-does-only-racism-racist

Mind you it was a funny read and I implore you all to read for those of you with a sense of humour.


Now from my reading I question whether starting fights and insulting people and then hiding behind the mods (in particular unfortunately Lee) is anything short of passive-aggression. It is in my mind akin to standing outside a gay bar with a placard saying "Burn in Hell Gays" and then shouting at the police to help when you get beaten up by the gays you insult.

Lee seems to think it is all fair play because he is passionate and only espousing his personal beliefs.
No. He is doing more than that. He is not attacking a person's beliefs he is attacking a person's very being. People do not choose to be gay any more than they choose to be Autistic and anyone who can not understand this principle is ignorant.
Iamnotaparakeet says this is just part of his Christian faith.

So man up and ask yourself a few pointed value based questions Keet.



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Now here is an interesting point.
Does a person choose their sexual identity anymore than the colour of their skin or their gender? No.

OK what is the homophobic bigot (ie ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)n. 1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. 2. Behavior based on such a feeling.) thinking the homosexual person is going to do to rectify their sin?
Being gay is sinful and being gay is a sin. Effectively these elements of the faith belief that God has selected a people that will be punished for "being| (not choosing or following a course of acting that they could avoid.)
Is that fair, tolerant, loving , ethical, kind or good? Flies in the face of organised Christian faith doesn't it?

My questions to the Christians that hold such views and are in contempt of gay people

Are you a bigot (it is defined above)?
Does that make you any better than the intolerant sexists, racists or any other bigot or bigotry?
Why?

Why do you think that a loving tolerant moral God would allow for people to be born gay and thus damned at birth (Yes not go into the "they choose to be gay" - that is a cop out)?
Murderers, rapist, thieves and the like hurt others and society. Gays don't. Why invest with them the same or similar abject disapproval?
In the approach of calling it fair, if a fundamentalist Christian with negative views on gay people were to illustrate contempt then at what point is retaliation from those insulted parties, allowable? We ought not suggest that gay people ought to be defenseless against anti-gay rhetoric or not? (regardless of whether it is hidden under the cowardly veil of a stated belief, or not).


OK that out the way, why the Hell is this guy still able to post on here whatever he feels like without censor?
Making threats of a legal nature? What kind of a support site is this?


Oh by the way Iamnotaparakeet, according to the link I just posted above to the straight dope debate board. You only just got a job. You have only just got married and are settling into married life and now you are going to start significant intercontinental legal action?
I would probably be inclined were I you to be a tad more humble and tolerant like someone you supposedly worship and seek to emulate.
Stop posting self-righteously and offensively may be a great start. May be a stepping stone into growing into a good and moral man.



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21 Feb 2011, 6:05 am

MCalavera wrote:
What's this I2 that some members here keep talking about? Can someone PM me the link if it's forbidden in public?


Google "IntensitySquared", the first result links there. That's where I hang out since I left here. Only come back to lurk here temporarily due to hearing about this drama from I2.


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21 Feb 2011, 6:05 am

Butterflies wrote:
You may have apologized for editing my post ...

Nope. I have apologized for the wrong call I had made on the previous incident where you had mentioned the homophobia of a group of boys.

Butterflies wrote:
... but I was very upset about being accused of hate-speech. You have not apologized for that accusation. Here is your accusation.

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I see this as opinion-intolerant "hate speech" against a group of people and I have removed it from one of your posts:


That is a bizarre way to justify things.

Nothing was being justified. I had simply reported and explained the reason behind my action as a moderator (at that time).

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I have never done that. I have only ever said "troll, sock puppet or bully".

By that logic I would be justified in calling you a junkie, crack-fiend or ex-alcoholic :? :? :?

Your own utilization of "logic" and mine would be quite different there, yet you would still be correct in making a speculation of "junkie, crack-fiend or ex-alcoholic" ... and in my own case, "ex-alcoholic" would be the fitting selection there.

Butterflies wrote:
I don't want to waste any more time arguing with you.

Your choice.

Butterflies wrote:
You seem bitter.

Perception noted.

Butterflies wrote:
I think it would be best for you to just leave this alone ...

I am simply responding to your posts ...

Butterflies wrote:
... and calm down.

Like I had once heard a comedian mention, I am already so laid back I am almost walking on my shoulder blades! But if I might ever actually become agitated, I will do as you have suggested.


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21 Feb 2011, 6:21 am

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Drama is fun!

There is actually some truth there, of course, but my first thought this morning was a little more along the line of actually feeling a bit silly about even sitting here and participating in a child-like discussion ...

... and yet, and as what TallyMan would have likely called a bit of propaganda, I do think it is important for at least someone to sit here and address the matter of bullying here on WP.

Note: editorial material follows

When I first came here to WP a littler over a year ago, Sinsboldy sent this PM to me:

sinsboldly wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I began looking for someone like me when I was five ...
My search ended at 59 when here I arrived.


I just wanted to tell you I appreciate your posts so much! We have much in common, late DXed Aspies, sober in AA for much longer than we knew we were Aspies. Understanding the difference between smarts and wisdom.

shine on you crazy diamond!

Merle


Sinsboldly was the moderator who finally ended the flaming and bullying I had been receiving while posting some "opinion, belief or philosophy" (as mentioned in WP rules) of my own in PPR, and she knew how to discern and handle this:

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

I thank you, Merle ... and now maybe my own fifteen minutes have finally come?! :wink:


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21 Feb 2011, 6:39 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I am not threatening to sue you, I am providing a conditional notification. If the libelous impostor profiles attaching my name to reprehensible words which are not mine are not disabled within the by the end of 165 hours, then I will submit all of the data that I've gathered regarding all of the activities of this situation and let the IC3 decide who is in the wrong. If the impostor profiles are disabled/removed/deleted/etc within that time, then I will go no further than archiving the data in the event of future actions on the part of the members of Intensity Squared responsible.

Nicely done, my fellow!


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21 Feb 2011, 6:50 am

leejosepho wrote:
... and since I have learned about trolls right here on WP, I am quite confident as to my comprehension of trolling. That said:

What we *now* have here is nothing any greater than what Jono has just mentioned, and that is nothing but some petty picking that has nothing to do with the matter of my having very strategically given a troll an opportunity to expose himself or herself ...

Done, and peace to all!


Hardly done Lee.

I think that to dismiss your actions and those you protect from questioning as "petty picking" in itself is rather petty.

As to your supposed comprehension of trolling, I really believe you have no real concept of what you are on about.
Butterflies is from another forum. An Autistic forum. She has come here as someone on the spectrum and has injected herself into debate and discourse on an Autistic forum. She is gay and the issues at hand were against gays. I would think that makes her VERY bloody relevant to the discussion and in no way a troll by any definition.

Now she has answered all accusations put to her and explained her actions and even admitted her blazen manner and you throw that in her face whilst protecting the one who careless and unashamedly condemned her and her sexuality.

There is a definition of bully and you won't find that in the exchanges with her.

I think they above members have clearly said it is unlikely she is a sock.

So again you made this claim/attack. Against your own ruling. I ask you once more to back yourself Lee or admit to hypocrisy. Ought not be hard. It is one or the other, by simple definition.



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21 Feb 2011, 7:03 am

leejosepho wrote:
Trigger11 wrote:
Drama is fun!

There is actually some truth there, of course, but my first thought this morning was a little more along the line of actually feeling a bit silly about even sitting here and participating in a child-like discussion ...

... and yet, and as what TallyMan would have likely called a bit of propaganda, I do think it is important for at least someone to sit here and address the matter of bullying here on WP.

Note: editorial material follows

When I first came here to WP a littler over a year ago, Sinsboldy sent this PM to me:

sinsboldly wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I began looking for someone like me when I was five ...
My search ended at 59 when here I arrived.


I just wanted to tell you I appreciate your posts so much! We have much in common, late DXed Aspies, sober in AA for much longer than we knew we were Aspies. Understanding the difference between smarts and wisdom.

shine on you crazy diamond!

Merle


Sinsboldly was the moderator who finally ended the flaming and bullying I had been receiving while posting some "opinion, belief or philosophy" (as mentioned in WP rules) of my own in PPR, and she knew how to discern and handle this:

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

I thank you, Merle ... and now maybe my own fifteen minutes have finally come?! :wink:


Whatever happened to Sinsboldly/Merle is she still moderating here?
If not, why not?

As to the so called child-like discussions, there is nothing child-like about them to my way of thinking. Perhaps you could show us some maturity and say or do something wise and poignant.

Maybe a start would be addressing and stop avoiding what has been put to you. Be a good start.



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21 Feb 2011, 7:38 am

@AlSwearengen

While accepting your own membership and your own passion for order here on WP at face value, I truly do want to be respectful in my personal correspondence with you whether same might take place either privately or here within public view. So, I would respectfully ask you to please try to understand the following and to possibly adjust your own approach here:

I do not play in rhetorical arenas, I do not speak in riddles and I do not present, discuss or argue within confusing "story problems" possibly even intentionally spun in ways that even some of the brightest minds present might not be able to unravel. I make no accusation or insinuation there, I simply and only mean to offer a bit of insight into how I approach things such as what we have going on here at the moment.

AlSwearengen wrote:
I think that to dismiss your actions ...

I have done no such thing.

AlSwearengen wrote:
I think that to dismiss ... those you protect from questioning ...

Your words do not even make sense there.

AlSwearengen wrote:
As to your supposed comprehension of trolling ...

Once again: I made no call there at all. Thus, my own "comprehension of trolling" is irrelevant other than in the simple fact of my having no disagreement with the report that had been made to me.

AlSwearengen wrote:
I really believe you have no real concept of what you are on about.

Belief noted.

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Butterflies ... has come here ... and has injected herself into debate and discourse ...
She is gay and the issues at hand were against gays. I would think that makes her [personal presence] VERY bloody relevant to the discussion ...

Agreed.

AlSwearengen wrote:
... and in no way a troll by any definition.

Some of her manner is the issue here, not her presence.

AlSwearengen wrote:
Now she has answered all accusations put to her and explained her actions and even admitted her blazen manner ...

Yes, the trolling she has committed here on WP is now quite obviously noticeable by at least possibly almost anyone.

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... and you throw that in her face ...

No. I had previously attempted to have her banned as someone who had quite self-revealingly and even a bit self-admittedly come to WP as a "troublemaker" (WP mod term), but then I was shown the lack of any actual evidence of specific violation/s of WP rules ... and I have since simply let her and everyone else know some of her actions here on WP have been discerned as those of a troll. However, and since there is no rule stating a troll may not be a member here (unless banned for specific rules violations, of course), Butterflies yet remains a member here and is just as free to post properly as you or me or anyone else might ever be.

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... whilst [you are] protecting the one who careless and unashamedly condemned her and her sexuality.

I am not aware of any such thing ever happening here, yet I do understand why you or others might disagree ... and if you are truly convinced, your best bet might be to present your alleged case to the ICC (International Criminal Court) as perceived "hate speech".

AlSwearengen wrote:
There is a definition of bully and you won't find that in the exchanges with her.

Agreed.

AlSwearengen wrote:
I think they above members have clearly said it is unlikely she is a sock.

No such allegation had ever even been made.

AlSwearengen wrote:
I ask you once more to back yourself Lee or admit to hypocrisy.

Please see above.

AlSwearengen wrote:
Ought not be hard. It is one or the other, by simple definition.

Agreed.


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21 Feb 2011, 7:48 am

AlSwearengen wrote:
Whatever happened to Sinsboldly/Merle is she still moderating here?
If not, why not?

While Sinsboldy is still certainly a member here on WP, no, she is no longer a moderator here ... and I do not know why since I happened to be away for a funeral at the time of that change.

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As to the so called child-like discussions, there is nothing child-like about them to my way of thinking.

I have certainly not meant to in any way offend you while letting you in on a little of how my own mind happens to work.

AlSwearengen wrote:
Perhaps you could show us some maturity and say or do something wise and poignant.

Perhaps.

AlSwearengen wrote:
Maybe a start would be addressing and stop avoiding what has been put to you.

If I am hearing you correctly, you are saying I have done or might even still be doing some bullying ... and that kind of charge is something possibly every moderator, present or past, occasionally faces and must consider during retrospection.


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21 Feb 2011, 8:20 am

155 hours and counting.