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19 Aug 2020, 6:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It would be fun—but it might cause unnecessary conflict.


Start a thread for fun then


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19 Aug 2020, 6:47 pm

I think kraftie's request is reasonable.


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19 Aug 2020, 6:50 pm

I don’t actually get the problem with what I proposed.

I said it would be nice—but that there might be potential problems.

Tell me what the problem is with what I proposed.

I feel like the days when I was summarily dismissed out of hand. It’s not a feeling I want repeated.



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19 Aug 2020, 7:03 pm

Or maybe Im being overly sensitive :wink:



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19 Aug 2020, 7:03 pm

Brictoria wrote:
As long as our new moderators continue the current tradition of trying to keep things relatively neutral (at least as far as is possible) in areas like news and PPR, and don't favour one side or the other, this sounds like good news.

And I second Pepe's nomination...Having the site's resident skunk as moderator could work well - people would sense him lurking and be on their best behaviour :)

Lol good one buddy


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19 Aug 2020, 7:10 pm

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19 Aug 2020, 7:12 pm

The good thing: like our Founding Fathers, Pepe is not openly campaigning for the position.



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19 Aug 2020, 7:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t actually get the problem with what I proposed.

I said it would be nice—but that there might be potential problems.

Tell me what the problem is with what I proposed.

I feel like the days when I was summarily dismissed out of hand. It’s not a feeling I want repeated.


It sounds good on the surface, but to me an election would reduce the selection of moderators to a matter of popularity even though people would be well intentioned. The position of moderator would also become inherently political and that would create problems. WP has existed since the early 2000's? based on Alex's 'vision' of what the site should be and his selection of mods he felt best suited to enforce those rules. The rules just need to be enforced uniformly if they haven't been to restore user trust in the mods. I wasn't present for all the issues that occurred a few months ago to very recently so I can't form an opinion about if justice was evenly applied. That's just my perspective :)



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19 Aug 2020, 7:15 pm

smudge wrote:
I think kraftie's request is reasonable.
Reasonable?  Certainly.

Practical?  Not so much.

We're better off to let this website's owner and his designated assistants decide the matter than to have yet another contentious campaign take place between multiple candidates and even more numerous potential voters.



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19 Aug 2020, 7:15 pm

Like I said, it might cause problems.

I already said I’d be ambivalent about this idea.



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19 Aug 2020, 7:16 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t actually get the problem with what I proposed.

I said it would be nice—but that there might be potential problems.

Tell me what the problem is with what I proposed.

I feel like the days when I was summarily dismissed out of hand. It’s not a feeling I want repeated.


From yesterday:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There should be a position of “troll-buster” who might or might not be a Mod. I mean in the computer-savvy sense. One who could spot an Internet troll a mile away.

I believe it might be good if Mods we’re voted in by the membership....but the process might cause problems, too,


Probably best if they are selected by existing moderators, I would have thought... Less "opportunity" to add weight to the scales in favour of one side or another and more chance that some "impartial" (as much as possible) judgements on potential applicants based on past\present actions\behaviour would take place - A moderator SHOULD be neutral in any conflict, not seen by either party as having an obvious bias against them.


Here are a couple of potential problems with having moderators "voted" on:
1) Because the majority for potential voters come from a single side - the sections of the site most in need of moderation (news and PPR) have a significant % of the population who favour one side of the political spectrum as a result of having driven away a number of members from the other side - and as they are in most "need" of moderation. The members who post there have the greatest reason to vote in order to maintain the status quo, rather than ensure fairness.

2) Moderators selected in this way may feel the need to "repay" their friends, and so will be more likely to favour them in decision making than a moderator who owes no "alleigance" to anyone other than their fellow moderators for having the position.



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19 Aug 2020, 7:36 pm

Moderatorship is like an unpaid job at a small business -- an internship, if you will -- and not a political office.

The managers (the "Mod Squad") make recommendations from the customers (the membership), the owner (Alex) reviews them, and he decides whom he will "hire" to run his business for him -- simple, efficient, and effective.

In the Small Business model, Democracy is a burden, not an option.  Even on websites like Facebook, it is not the customers that decide who gets to be a moderator -- it's Mr. Zuckerberg and/or his proxies.



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20 Aug 2020, 2:28 am

Fnord wrote:
Even on websites like Facebook, it is not the customers that decide who gets to be a moderator -- it's Mr. Zuckerberg and/or his proxies.


And even then it can go badly...



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20 Aug 2020, 6:32 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The good thing: like our Founding Fathers, Pepe is not openly campaigning for the position.


I don't need the stress in my life, seriously. ;)



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20 Aug 2020, 6:36 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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Don't poke the skunk, Magz. :lol:


That's right.
I may not have my glands any longer,
But I have gallons of skunk juice stored away.



How very Hughesian... 8O


I don't cut my toenails either.
That is why I don't wear shoes. :mrgreen:



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20 Aug 2020, 6:38 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
There should be a position of “troll-buster” who might or might not be a Mod. I mean in the computer-savvy sense. One who could spot an Internet troll a mile away.

I believe it might be good if Mods we’re voted in by the membership....but the process might cause problems, too,


Probably best if they are selected by existing moderators, I would have thought... Less "opportunity" to add weight to the scales in favour of one side or another and more chance that some "impartial" (as much as possible) judgements on potential applicants based on past\present actions\behaviour would take place - A moderator SHOULD be neutral in any conflict, not seen by either party as having an obvious bias against them.


There aren't any conservative mods, atm.
The left-wing bias is one of the major problems here.
And we need more maturity, but I think the die has already been cast.


Bias isn't an issue if the person with it can recognise their natural bias and account for it in their decision making. It is an issue when the person with it is unaware (or worse still, while being aware of it, ignores it) and allows it to affect their judgement, though, and I have come across moderators in the past like that...It never ended well for the site involved.

If possible there should be "conservative" mods. While it might be difficult for them to follow the "progressive" guidelines despite being an autistic site the guidelines need to be interpreted for each individual case, this is where a different perspective could come in handy.

In my time working the most successful companies involved leadership members with very different personalities that respected each other. The companies that failed were individually owned.


What is needed is a diversity of thought.