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05 Aug 2020, 12:35 am

Before we can discuss the future of WP let me ask you all this. What is the mission and vision of WP exactly? What is its purpose exactly? Why does it exist?



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05 Aug 2020, 12:46 am

I don't think Alex created a specific "home page" or "mission statement" like many websites have (if there is one, I can't see it) but he created it as a place where people on the Autism spectrum and other neuro-diversity conditions, as well as their friends, family or interested people can get together and join a like minded support and discussion community. The forums are only one part of the website and the button is on the extreme left of the screen at the top. I'm not sure how often the other "departments" are updated by admin.

The forums are the most active part of WP because that's where our membership hangs out. I was quite addicted to WP when I just joined, which was a few years after my rather late diagnosis.


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05 Aug 2020, 1:48 am

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Your problem is you aren't sly enough. Learn to be artful with a victim narrative and pandering outwardly and all goes well.

After having read every post in this thread you seem to making suggestions that suggest you have not, because amongst others Funeralxempire has specifically stated that being manipulative is undesirable, i.e., using one's victimhood to play people with can drive the right people away.

Funeralxempire's problem has been that he has not been diplomatic enough, and needs to learn to be artful with a respectful narrative and advocate accordingly so that all goes well. Being more one's self and considerate of others also is far better than playing 'poor-me' games differently depending upon who one happens to be with, and potentially getting played back by way of or people just clocking the deception.


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05 Aug 2020, 2:01 am

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'We must never forget that human motives are generally


far more complicated than we are apt to suppose,


and that we can very rarely accurately describe the motives of another.'


Fyodor Dostoyevsky


Definitely ~ all that we do, all that we think and all that we feel for the whole of our lives; is but an introduction to a by far greater mystery than anyone will ever know.


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05 Aug 2020, 2:01 am

Is it a personal attack to call people out on their racism or white supremacy, etc. without calling their actions that? What about when you tell them they are being an apologist?


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05 Aug 2020, 2:11 am

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If someone insists on stepping on your toes repeatedly and intentionally, how many polite corrections do you owe them before a violent shove is the most appropriate response?

Ignoring them is also an option and takes much less energy. Especially when your interactions with them go round-and-round in circles and don't make any leeway. At that point you're just wasting precious ATP, which you don't have to do, especially on the internet. No one has asked you to start toe-stepping back or shoving anyone and it's not really your job to.


If one doesn't establish and maintain boundaries one will be walked all over.

And what about when people continue to walk all over you? What if someone doesn't care about boundaries or punches or rude words, and will continue to do as they please? Sadly, you can't control everyone and sometimes ignoring them is the best option for yourself, especially when they can't physically mess with you like online. Your boundaries here start at the computer screen and you can skip over someone's posts to keep them out of your boundary.


Ignoring has power when too many people do it. It won't make them change their minds but what it will do is silence them so they won't be shunned.

Just imagine if one person is racist, they may find they are being excluded from events and gatherings and groups and even their own family stops inviting them over or stop seeing them and also don't want to visit them.

I've noticed on accident whenever I stop talking to one of my online friends whenever he is racist or being an apologist, he is always apologizing and doing better. He sometimes gets me so upset, I just stop talking to him.

Has he really changed his opinions or has just gotten better at filtering his thoughts is the question and I think it's the latter.

It's hard to not "attack him" when he asks me what he did wrong and asks me if I am mad at him.

But then again if you never call them out, then they wonder why has everyone just abandoned them and won't tell them what they do wrong but darn if you tell them, you have attacked them. But don't tell them, they won't know and how will they change? Darn if you do, darn if you don't. :roll:


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05 Aug 2020, 2:28 am

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A violent shove should never be seen as an appropriate responce.


Try stepping on people's toes for real and see how long until somebody responds appropriately. :wink:

Hence the art of reverse psychology of not stepping on anyone's toes and conversely not leaving your toes in a position to be stood on. Therefore with the repeating patterns of abuse attend the dance if you must but for the love of life or at least your toes ~ don't dance! :wink:


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05 Aug 2020, 3:37 am

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Is it a personal attack to call people out on their racism or white supremacy, etc. without calling their actions that? What about when you tell them they are being an apologist?

You can state something along the lines of that comment appears to be or is somewhat racist, or white supremacist, etcetera ~ but you are not allowed to refer to the writer themself as being individually as such.

So basically you can criticise what is written but not the writer themself.


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05 Aug 2020, 3:42 am

Forget it. I give up.


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05 Aug 2020, 4:00 am

Back to the topic - how about sticking to "what happens in PPR, stays in PPR"? I find it unacceptable that political partizanship makes its way to L&D or The Haven, or dominate threads like this one.


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05 Aug 2020, 4:02 am

^ It is on topic.


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05 Aug 2020, 4:35 am

Let's keep it that way. But remember that there are all kinds of folk here - we're a spectrum after all so we can expect a wide variety of opinions and posting styles - even among us plus there are numerous friendly NTs here too.

Posting in anger is ill-advised.

By the way a very good example of gaslighting can be found in the book A Cry in the Night by Mary Higgins Clark, where the protagonist starts doubting her own sanity as her psychopathic husband is gaslighting her constantly and making out that her memories are events are wrong and saying (in a kind voice) that she's very sick and needs to see a specialist.


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05 Aug 2020, 4:55 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Let's keep it that way. But remember that there are all kinds of folk here - we're a spectrum after all so we can expect a wide variety of opinions and posting styles - even among us plus there are numerous friendly NTs here too.

Posting in anger is ill-advised.

By the way a very good example of gaslighting can be found in the book A Cry in the Night by Mary Higgins Clark, where the protagonist starts doubting her own sanity as her psychopathic husband is gaslighting her constantly and making out that her memories are events are wrong and saying (in a kind voice) that she's very sick and needs to see a specialist.

Now, what if someone genuinely believes one has a psychological problem, like, taking general remarks about attitudes as covert personal attacks? I've seen it a few times on WP, sometimes a clarification helped, sometimes not.


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05 Aug 2020, 5:08 am

I guess there might be cases like that, which would perhaps need to be evaluated on a case by case basis. People might sometimes take offence at remarks that aren't directed at them but they think they are.


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05 Aug 2020, 6:10 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Let's keep it that way. But remember that there are all kinds of folk here - we're a spectrum after all so we can expect a wide variety of opinions and posting styles - even among us plus there are numerous friendly NTs here too.

Posting in anger is ill-advised.

By the way a very good example of gaslighting can be found in the book A Cry in the Night by Mary Higgins Clark, where the protagonist starts doubting her own sanity as her psychopathic husband is gaslighting her constantly and making out that her memories are events are wrong and saying (in a kind voice) that she's very sick and needs to see a specialist.


My XH actually did that among other things and at my mom's advice I began taking pictures and sending updates by the hour to mine and my familys e-mails for over a year


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05 Aug 2020, 6:13 am

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When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

Basically you have accused at least two people in particular of ganging up on someone when it has been a day of trying to resolve these issues with a number of people ~ so as such you have not followed the second community rule which states:

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.


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I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.

We each have the freedom of expression like as if a driving license which entitles us to follow the highway code ~ as in terms of respecting everyone's sense and sensibilities when we come to put our feelings and thoughts into words here.

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And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.

Hence the purpose of this thread being to discuss ways and means to make the Wrong Planet website of forums better and thus supportive for everyone ~ whether they be past, present or future members.

Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone. :heart:



I have not accused people. That is what they did in another thread and feigning victim status in this one. It is entirely relevant as your feelings get hurt with no basis but that you've been contradicted however politely and logically -
That too done in response to false statements on someone else's behalf-


I used no names nor did I make clear who it could be in any way



What you are saying is people are free to bully in sly ways but if contradicted- i did not even call them out as bullies but merely pointed out the alternate routes for their own ease of mind in using these forums-
That is rude? Makes sense.


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