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07 Aug 2020, 7:25 am

My above post was rather cynical.

I agree with APOM that WrongPlanet is a “hybrid” site.

Sometimes, I just feel like fooling around. Other times, I feel more explicitly altruistic.

My hope is that I could reach people through fun and more serious attention to people’s concerns.



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07 Aug 2020, 2:03 pm

I am diagnosed with AS.

My mental state makes me have the AS characteristic of "preoccupation with order, lists, and formalities".

"Order" must come across in my posts.

That is what I do here.

I am not here for social, political, or autism.


I get "relief" from my condition by engaging in concepts, and putting them into an order in my mind.

Often, I will make lists of a-c or 1-3 with relevant information.

Often, I will post an accompanying picture, because I feel my words are messy.


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07 Aug 2020, 2:10 pm

^That makes perfect sense to me. Not surprising that I've always enjoyed alphabetical and numerical lists of things and a tendency to memorize world capitals and suchlike. Instead of "counting sheep" I'll lie and recite names backwards in my mind until I'm asleep.


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07 Aug 2020, 7:24 pm

Teach51 wrote:

This is true,^^ some members enjoy making waves, perhaps unintentionally, who knows?


*I* know. 8)
That is why I boycott a couple of forums.
Some people just want to argue and play mind/power games, rather than discuss to achieve mutual gain/enlightenment.
I'm over that crap. 8)



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07 Aug 2020, 7:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
One way to make WP better is to not harp on semantics all the time.

It makes for an unpleasant atmosphere here.


And what do you actually mean by "harp"? :mrgreen:

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Just as there will always be people who pretend to know the intent and motivations of others without ever having met them, and without ever having earned the appropriate credentials to do so.


It's a gift.
What can I say? :shrug: :mrgreen:



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07 Aug 2020, 7:34 pm

WP has certainly helped me in understanding my autism, learning from others and finding some sense of community, especially with the elder women here. It is a place where I am understood.

There are also some very witty people and their posts brighten my day.

I hope I have helped some others and try to do my part in supporting others and welcoming new members.

I don’t expect Alex or WP to do anything to affect politics or work for inclusion or get more jobs.

Communities change over time. While some are leaving or have left, others are joining.


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07 Aug 2020, 7:39 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Another reason why I don't use the PPR is because admittedly I don't know much, and when you are giving an opinion or argument about something you don't understand, you are more likely to unintentionally offend someone or make an idiot of yourself. I mean, I don't understand what words like ''socialism'' means. And whenever I look up the word ''communism'' it always says that it means ''equality but within personal circumstances'', which sounds rather fair and peaceful, but it also seems to mean ''a country that is run under limited government rules that counteracts freedom'' or something. I just find it all hurts my brain and so I will not be suited for PPR and probably will get myself called ''racist'' or ''dumbass'' or something.

I feel that sometimes on WP arguments become a battle of words, and that if you describe things using big intelligent words then more people will listen to you and even agree that you are right. I'm not so good at that.


At one time I was using PPR to gain knowledge about subject matter I didn't understand or that was new to me. My goal was to gain enlightenment.
I gave up on that because some people were patronising and were more intent in showing off than imparting knowledge.

But they were the better ones.
PPR is so full of hostility, arrogance and intolerance that I refuse to go there any more.
It is dead to me. :skull:

Meh. 8)



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07 Aug 2020, 9:26 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

Basically you have accused at least two people in particular of ganging up on someone when it has been a day of trying to resolve these issues with a number of people ~ so as such you have not followed the second community rule which states:

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.


blooiejagwa wrote:
I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.

We each have the freedom of expression like as if a driving license which entitles us to follow the highway code ~ as in terms of respecting everyone's sense and sensibilities when we come to put our feelings and thoughts into words here.

blooiejagwa wrote:
And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.

Hence the purpose of this thread being to discuss ways and means to make the Wrong Planet website of forums better and thus supportive for everyone ~ whether they be past, present or future members.

Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone. :heart:

Due to the envirozentinel's edit job I have used quotation boxes regarding statements originally written by blooiejagwa:

Quote:
I have not accused people. That is what they did in another thread and feigning victim status in this one.

Here in the first sentence it is written that no one was accused ~ then in the next sentence came the first accusation that they accused other people on another thread, and then also in the following sentence came the second accusation that they feigned victim status on this thread.

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It is entirely relevant as your feelings get hurt with no basis but that you've been contradicted however politely and logically -

How one feels about people as individuals here is a divergence as all most of us know about them is what they post on the forum pages, and as such it is only relevant to have whatever feelings and thoughts that we do in relation to what people write in words, depict in images and play in media form here ~ therefore it is appropriate to comment upon that content because it is evident, whilst it is inappropriate to comment upon someone's individual identity, being that it is not evident. Hence:

The following activities are unacceptable on Wrong-Planet:

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This includes copyrighted material, serial codes, and posts made to promote a website, group or product, particularly if made repeatedly and without other participation in the WP community (spamming). This also includes discussion of locked topics, discussion of banned members and why they were banned and anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


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That too [was] done in response to false statements on someone else's behalf-

So along with having been accused of bullying and making out they are the victim instead ~ we have another accusation involving false statements on somebody else’s behalf now.

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I used no names nor did I make clear who it could be in any way

When someone talks or writes about people in particular ~ without using their names; those unnamed people in particular are being referred to in an ‘indirect’ way.

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What you are saying is people are free to bully in sly ways but if contradicted- i did not even call them out as bullies but merely pointed out the alternate routes for their own ease of mind in using these forums-
That is rude? Makes sense.

I stated that we have the freedom of expression like as if a driving license that entitles us to use the highway code ~ as in terms of respecting everyone’s sense and sensibilities when we come to put our feelings and thoughts into words here. By which I meant follow the rules.

If you wish to challenge bullies with forthrightness and it gets construed as being rude and you end up having broken the rules ~ who is the more likely one to become the mod-fodder? Remember we need the membership to grow not shrink in order to improve the character of the Wrong Planet website of forums. Your strength and compassion is required.

Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone. :heart:

blooiejagwa wrote:
I did follow the rules
. Your statement was redundant and implied ( as well as outright stated in 1 sentence )something that did not occur while the people I am thinking of actually did what you claimed I did.

Despite repeated requests not to ~ individual people have here again been referred to by you relating to their actions as were previously claimed by you to be a downright sly form of bullying. Thus the rules have not as such been followed.

Also, being that an accusation is a charge of wrongdoing that is made against a person or other party; that can only be proven in the current context by individually identifying the threads, posts and people involved ~ meaning that my statement was neither ‘redundant nor implied. But I very much concur that it was clearly stated as part of my request for you to follow the community rules.

In future when describing people’s wrongdoings ~ make certain that there are no individual references to anyone in particular, and keep such accounts in specific reference to what was written ~ which envirozentinel also described as followed:

envirozentinal wrote:
Of course racism (or any other prejudice or defence of it) should be called out. But taking it to a personal level is what's not allowed. That's not difficult is it? It's like that old church saying of "hate the sin but not the sinner".*

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=528

*With the sinner being the rebellious writer we are not to focus on and the sin being the unacceptable written content we are to focus upon ~ or at least report.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Anything I said that I am referring to was mild and suggested peaceful routes to dealing with discomfort if outright confrontation is not possible and for that I would never be 'mod fodder' in a sensibly moderated forum.

So mild it seemed very much to be one of those domineering “watch out your here now and will shut bullies up even if that is construed as being rude” deterrents for the sake of 'enforced' peace as follows:

blooiejagwa wrote:
When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up
. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.


And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=464

So threatening to make yourself a problem to resolve a problem whilst breaking the rules is against the rules which I have not tolerated at all, as you have so far continuously discovered. I mean it is really good stuff of you besides the wrathful side of the option to include the peaceful side of exploring perspectives outside the bully's narrative, but the first part of the option is not to shut people up ~ it is to have them abide by the freedom of expression in the same way people with driving licenses need to respect the highway code in order to prevent accidents, and keep people safe. No one should meet their match or worse still beyond their league in a wrathful manner that has unbridled triangulation talent ~ it is just the stuff of website forum horror legends. 8O

Stay calm and keep strictly to the rules ~ or stay much safer and report any issues to the moderators, and just as I do not want people to become 'mod-fodder' :( ~ we don't need anyone becoming 'troll-mess' either! :cry:

blooiejagwa wrote:
But enough harping on this from me- it is only to correct what I know to be a misunderstanding or assumption that was clearly stated by you.

Contextualisation ~ by way of quotation helps very much to reduce misunderstanding, but not repeatedly contravening the community rules was clearly stated by me.

There was as such though no assumption on my part being that my statements have been directly based (word for word) on the written content of your statements, which have been quoted for context in each and every instance. Two really good examples of assumptions involving derogatory statements are though demonstrated by way of what you suppose I wanted as follows:

blooiejagwa wrote:
What you are saying is people are free to bully in sly ways but if contradicted- i did not even call them out as bullies but merely pointed out the alternate routes for their own ease of mind in using these forums-
That is rude? Makes sense.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=512

&

blooiejagwa wrote:
Amything alluded to was stated as an example of the type of behaviour that I've seen which can escape notice but is part of the problem and unconducive to the type of atmosphere you supposedly want.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=560

Regarding your supposition of what I want though:

blooiejagwa wrote:
'We must never forget that human motives are generally


far more complicated than we are apt to suppose,


and that we can very rarely accurately describe the motives of another.
'


Fyodor Dostoyevsky

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=480

And I am quite sure though your allusions are based upon and suppositiously derived from what you have read ~ just as I focus more upon the subjective object of each word and continue addressing likewise the relevance of the statement or statements that are made in sequence. Plus your mistaken assumptions of what I want includes not what I keep on requesting and is expected anyway of everyone in terms of abiding by the community rules:

The following activities are unacceptable on WrongPlanet:

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This includes copyrighted material, serial codes, and posts made to promote a website, group or product, particularly if made repeatedly and without other participation in the WP community (spamming). This also includes discussion of locked topics, discussion of banned members and why they were banned and anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. This is though your third and final warning ~ and the subject matter of all three warnings will be reported if you ignore this final one. Thankyou everyone for your compliance with the community rules ~ it is very much appreciated. :heart:


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07 Aug 2020, 9:40 pm

Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

Basically you have accused at least two people in particular of ganging up on someone when it has been a day of trying to resolve these issues with a number of people ~ so as such you have not followed the second community rule which states:

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.


blooiejagwa wrote:
I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.

We each have the freedom of expression like as if a driving license which entitles us to follow the highway code ~ as in terms of respecting everyone's sense and sensibilities when we come to put our feelings and thoughts into words here.

blooiejagwa wrote:
And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.

Hence the purpose of this thread being to discuss ways and means to make the Wrong Planet website of forums better and thus supportive for everyone ~ whether they be past, present or future members.

Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone. :heart:

Due to the envirozentinel's edit job I have used quotation boxes regarding statements originally written by blooiejagwa:

Quote:
I have not accused people. That is what they did in another thread and feigning victim status in this one.

Here in the first sentence it is written that no one was accused ~ then in the next sentence came the first accusation that they accused other people on another thread, and then also in the following sentence came the second accusation that they feigned victim status on this thread.

Quote:
It is entirely relevant as your feelings get hurt with no basis but that you've been contradicted however politely and logically -

How one feels about people as individuals here is a divergence as all most of us know about them is what they post on the forum pages, and as such it is only relevant to have whatever feelings and thoughts that we do in relation to what people write in words, depict in images and play in media form here ~ therefore it is appropriate to comment upon that content because it is evident, whilst it is inappropriate to comment upon someone's individual identity, being that it is not evident. Hence:

The following activities are unacceptable on Wrong-Planet:

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This includes copyrighted material, serial codes, and posts made to promote a website, group or product, particularly if made repeatedly and without other participation in the WP community (spamming). This also includes discussion of locked topics, discussion of banned members and why they were banned and anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


Quote:
That too [was] done in response to false statements on someone else's behalf-

So along with having been accused of bullying and making out they are the victim instead ~ we have another accusation involving false statements on somebody else’s behalf now.

Quote:
I used no names nor did I make clear who it could be in any way

When someone talks or writes about people in particular ~ without using their names; those unnamed people in particular are being referred to in an ‘indirect’ way.

Quote:
What you are saying is people are free to bully in sly ways but if contradicted- i did not even call them out as bullies but merely pointed out the alternate routes for their own ease of mind in using these forums-
That is rude? Makes sense.

I stated that we have the freedom of expression like as if a driving license that entitles us to use the highway code ~ as in terms of respecting everyone’s sense and sensibilities when we come to put our feelings and thoughts into words here. By which I meant follow the rules.

If you wish to challenge bullies with forthrightness and it gets construed as being rude and you end up having broken the rules ~ who is the more likely one to become the mod-fodder? Remember we need the membership to grow not shrink in order to improve the character of the Wrong Planet website of forums. Your strength and compassion is required.

Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. Thankyou everyone. :heart:


blooiejagwa wrote:
I did follow the rules
. Your statement was redundant and implied ( as well as outright stated in 1 sentence )something that did not occur while the people I am thinking of actually did what you claimed I did.

Despite repeated requests not to ~ individual people have here again been referred to by you relating to their actions as were previously claimed by you to be a downright sly form of bullying. Thus the rules have not as such been followed.

Also, being that an accusation is a charge of wrongdoing that is made against a person or other party; that can only be proven in the current context by individually identifying the threads, posts and people involved ~ meaning that my statement was neither ‘redundant nor implied. But I very much concur that it was clearly stated as part of my request for you to follow the community rules.

In future when describing people’s wrongdoings ~ make certain that there are no individual references to anyone in particular, and keep such accounts in specific reference to what was written ~ which envirozentinel also described as followed:

envirozentinal wrote:
Of course racism (or any other prejudice or defence of it) should be called out. But taking it to a personal level is what's not allowed. That's not difficult is it? It's like that old church saying of "hate the sin but not the sinner".

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=528

With the sinner being the rebellious writer we are not to focus on and the sin being the unacceptable written content we are to focus upon ~ or at least report.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Anything I said that I am referring to was mild and suggested peaceful routes to dealing with discomfort if outright confrontation is not possible and for that I would never be 'mod fodder' in a sensibly moderated forum.

So mild it seemed very much to be one of those domineering “watch out your here now and will shut bullies up even if that is construed as being rude” deterrents for the sake of 'enforced' peace as follows:

blooiejagwa wrote:
When someone is repeatedly targeting someone -another member no matter who- by NAME no less-

and maybe gangs up with another-- and this discourse ---

which I consider a downright sly form of bullying is tolerated by those who should know better..

I have no issue being forthright even if construed as rude --
to such if it will shut them up
. Or see a point of view outside of their narrative, which may be a form of autistic perseveration in the moment.


And I know of several things I've seen here over the years particularly some real slander and slurs-

and that's how you lose gorgeous Angels like Isabella who I've not seen since I resumed coming here and can guess why.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=464

So threatening to make yourself a problem to resolve a problem whilst breaking the rules is against the rules which I have not tolerated at all, as you have so far continuously discovered. I mean it is really good stuff of you besides the wrathful side of the option to include the peaceful side of exploring perspectives outside their narrative, but the first part of the option is not to shut people up ~ it is to have them abide by the freedom of expression in the same way people with driving licenses need to respect the highway code in order to prevent accidents, and keep people safe. No one should meet their match or worse still beyond their league in a wrathful manner that has unbridled triangulation talent ~ it is just the stuff of website forum horror legends. :shaking2:

Stay calm and keep strictly to the rules ~ or stay much safer and report any issues to the moderators, and just as I do not want people to become 'mod-fodder' :( ~ we don't need anyone becoming 'troll-mess' either! :cry:

blooiejagwa wrote:
But enough harping on this from me- it is only to correct what I know to be a misunderstanding or assumption that was clearly stated by you.

Contextualisation ~ by way of quotation helps very much to reduce misunderstanding, but not repeatedly contravening the community rules was clearly stated by me.

There was as such though no assumption on my part being that my statements have been directly based (word for word) on the written content of your statements, which have been quoted for context in each and every instance. Two really good examples of assumptions involving derogatory statements are though demonstrated by way of what you suppose I wanted as follows:

blooiejagwa wrote:
What you are saying is people are free to bully in sly ways but if contradicted- i did not even call them out as bullies but merely pointed out the alternate routes for their own ease of mind in using these forums-
That is rude? Makes sense.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=512


&

blooiejagwa wrote:
Amything alluded to was stated as an example of the type of behaviour that I've seen which can escape notice but is part of the problem and unconducive to the type of atmosphere you supposedly want.

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=560

Regarding your supposition of what I want though:

blooiejagwa wrote:
'We must never forget that human motives are generally


far more complicated than we are apt to suppose,


and that we can very rarely accurately describe the motives of another.
'


Fyodor Dostoyevsky

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=389127&start=480


And I am quite sure though your allusions are based upon and suppositiously derived from what you have read ~ just as I focus more upon the subjective object of each word and continue addressing likewise the relevance of the statement or statements that are made in sequence. Plus your mistaken assumptions of what I want includes not what I keep on requesting and is expected anyway of everyone in terms of abiding by the community rules:

The following activities are unacceptable on WrongPlanet:

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This includes copyrighted material, serial codes, and posts made to promote a website, group or product, particularly if made repeatedly and without other participation in the WP community (spamming). This also includes discussion of locked topics, discussion of banned members and why they were banned and anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.


Your compliance is as much appreciated as it is universally required. This is though your third and final warning ~ and the subject matter of all three warnings will be reported if you ignore this final one. Thankyou everyone for your compliance with the community rules ~ it is very much appreciated. :heart:



1. When a person states they wish to improve the situation and creates a thread for the purpose seemingly to explore and emphasize this idea one would assume giving an INDIRECTLY referred to example by way of an example of the issue that is impossible to explain otherwise-
At least as far as I can tell-
Wpuld be part and parcel towards the solution.
Also referenced as part of defending myself when I saw what was being written. Surely one has this right or it is pure hypocrisy

2. 'Enforced peace'??? Wtf. Towards someone who was actually asking mods to shut ppl up who hadn't even referred to them nor broken rules as iy was within keeping of the threads topic? So what response woukd you suggest? Or with asd theory of mind issue whivh I surely have too-
one can forgive a presumption that we all share a hive mind and exact style of communicating to boot. So it is, evidently.

3. You obviously enjoy this and From the get-go I have not. So as before Im done. You Can continue to quote and try and find ways to pull out what you want and have at it. :jester: If thats what you think is an effective way towards achieving an improved state of things here


4. stating the same thing again and again is redundant in diff ways esp as you do not wish to believe it is sincere and honest on my end and we obviously do not share the same opinions on this to begin with.


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blooiejagwa wrote:
1. When a person states they wish to improve the situation and creates a thread for the purpose seemingly to explore and emphasize this idea one would assume giving an INDIRECTLY referred to example by way of an example of the issue that is impossible to explain otherwise-
At least as far as I can tell-
Wpuld be part and parcel towards the solution.

The usual methodology is to generalise all of the individuality out of any account of social interactions, especially considering the paranoia many of us have developed as a safety feature due to not having fitted in and being held socially accountable for which ~ meaning that individual references get instinctively / habitually associated with ourselves or others besides those who you are actually referring to ~ who might be us in other people's reckoning. Not to dissimilar really to as if Agatha Christie’s character Miss Marple stating to room full of people that there has been bullying most sly ~ and someone present is responsible! With some people feeling guilty or others trying to work out who is guilty or else the guilty individual trying to make someone else appear guilty, what with the nature of ‘who-done-it’ crime-thrillers being as they are.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Also referenced as part of defending myself when I saw what was being written. Surely one has this right or it is pure hypocrisy

When the ‘Id’ (the protective beast or demon within) takes over defensively one has to learn to reign it in and not to post in anger, so to state that is pure hypocrisy is several shades to far as our best intentions can of course as the saying goes pave the road to hell, but as long as we learn from our mistakes as being retakes rather than punishing ourselves we tend less to make the same mistakes to the same extent again, until we make them no longer at all potentially.

blooiejagwa wrote:
2. 'Enforced peace'??? Wtf. Towards someone who was actually asking mods to shut ppl up who hadn't even referred to them nor broken rules as iy was within keeping of the threads topic?

Exchange the unconscious I for the conscious I and benighted wisdom for enlightened wisdom ~ what with an eye for eye and tooth for a tooth making everyone myopic or blind and more prone to starving. Or in other words if one person is behaving badly don’t take the risk of it just being yourself (actually or just in the eyes of others), or else don’t make it two people behaving badly as it may as such even turn into a crowd or even a mob.

blooiejagwa wrote:
So what response woukd you suggest?

The very one you suggested other than getting construed as rude such as exemplified with funeralxempire regarding your brother where you recommended restraint ~ and rather than being sly and playing the victim or such like; learn to be more accordant to your values and those of the Wrong Planet membership requirements also. I mean don’t pander ~ negotiate diplomatically in an open and fair way involving your morality in balance with everyone’s ethical reality, so that your mind set and bodily setting are in tune here without having to be dismissive about or submissive to anybody.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Or with asd theory of mind issue whivh I surely have too-
one can forgive a presumption that we all share a hive mind and exact style of communicating to boot. So it is, evidently.

Consider looking beyond that narrative as theory of mind like any theory can be developed, as it is more often the communication impairments involving ‘all-or-nothing’ / ‘black-and-white’ thinking that is the greater problem ~ especially when people imagine one line or perspective of reasoning excludes or disproves another, when in fact they can confirm or prove the validity of the other.

blooiejagwa wrote:
3. You obviously enjoy this and From the get-go I have not. So as before Im done. You Can continue to quote and try and find ways to pull out what you want and have at it. :jester: If thats what you think is an effective way towards achieving an improved state of things here

Just as it was imagined I was angry in quasi-moderating funeralxempire’s post, I do not enjoy having to repeat the same information when you are not enjoying it, that gives me no pleasure whatsoever. :(

blooiejagwa wrote:
4. stating the same thing again and again is redundant in diff ways esp as you do not wish to believe it is sincere and honest on my end and we obviously do not share the same opinions on this to begin with.

I never for a moment imagined that your wish to be supportive and improve things here was not sincere and honest ~ never did I doubt that and never would I support anybody stating that they doubted that either, hence me stating that much to you.

Besides ~ without differences of opinion new combinations of interaction would never come about as their would be no reason to communicate if we all had the same opinion, I mean think about it ~ everything differs in some way or another for very particular reasons.

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08 Aug 2020, 3:52 am

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There will always be a proportional few "Look how bad . . . see if you can stop me!" boundary testers that have not had their primary needs for affection and intimacy met, as had to seek or steal facilitation and affirmation by way of domination and negation instead ~ i.e., breaking a window or upseting and angering people in order to be treated as significant or even existential...
Just as there will always be people who pretend to know the intent and motivations of others without ever having met them, and without ever having earned the appropriate credentials to do so.

It is fascinating that people imagine they know people on the basis of just written statements ~ as it would not apply even with however many qualifications could be attained. Characteristics or traits can be ascertained such as psychological typology and writing style and all that ~ but no matter how many of those may be known they are only a hint of what is to be known.


I have a saying and my saying is if you think a kid is a brat, anything they do will be malicious.

That is how I feel about people in general when they have a negative opinion about someone. I suspect it goes on here too when I see weird accusations being thrown around at other members indirectly.


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08 Aug 2020, 4:11 am

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
If someone insists on stepping on your toes repeatedly and intentionally, how many polite corrections do you owe them before a violent shove is the most appropriate response?

Ignoring them is also an option and takes much less energy. Especially when your interactions with them go round-and-round in circles and don't make any leeway. At that point you're just wasting precious ATP, which you don't have to do, especially on the internet. No one has asked you to start toe-stepping back or shoving anyone and it's not really your job to.


If one doesn't establish and maintain boundaries one will be walked all over.

And what about when people continue to walk all over you? What if someone doesn't care about boundaries or punches or rude words, and will continue to do as they please? Sadly, you can't control everyone and sometimes ignoring them is the best option for yourself, especially when they can't physically mess with you like online. Your boundaries here start at the computer screen and you can skip over someone's posts to keep them out of your boundary.


The really sad thing is, for as game as I am, my one co-worker Steve (who isn't ASD, but does likely have bipolar) often comes off more game than I am, and he has kids. For some reason where I work attracts a lot of meathead-ish guys, I think it's caused me to regress (in terms of temperament) compared to when worked in an office.


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08 Aug 2020, 6:37 am

Deepthought 7 wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
1. When a person states they wish to improve the situation and creates a thread for the purpose seemingly to explore and emphasize this idea one would assume giving an INDIRECTLY referred to example by way of an example of the issue that is impossible to explain otherwise-
At least as far as I can tell-
Wpuld be part and parcel towards the solution.

The usual methodology is to generalise all of the individuality out of any account of social interactions, especially considering the paranoia many of us have developed as a safety feature due to not having fitted in and being held socially accountable for which ~ meaning that individual references get instinctively / habitually associated with ourselves or others besides those who you are actually referring to ~ who might be us in other people's reckoning. Not to dissimilar really to as if Agatha Christie’s character Miss Marple stating to room full of people that there has been bullying most sly ~ and someone present is responsible! With some people feeling guilty or others trying to work out who is guilty or else the guilty individual trying to make someone else appear guilty, what with the nature of ‘who-done-it’ crime-thrillers being as they are.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Also referenced as part of defending myself when I saw what was being written. Surely one has this right or it is pure hypocrisy

When the ‘Id’ (the protective beast or demon within) takes over defensively one has to learn to reign it in and not to post in anger, so to state that is pure hypocrisy is several shades to far as our best intentions can of course as the saying goes pave the road to hell, but as long as we learn from our mistakes as being retakes rather than punishing ourselves we tend less to make the same mistakes to the same extent again, until we make them no longer at all potentially.

blooiejagwa wrote:
2. 'Enforced peace'??? Wtf. Towards someone who was actually asking mods to shut ppl up who hadn't even referred to them nor broken rules as iy was within keeping of the threads topic?

Exchange the unconscious I for the conscious I and benighted wisdom for enlightened wisdom ~ what with an eye for eye and tooth for a tooth making everyone myopic or blind and more prone to starving. Or in other words if one person is behaving badly don’t take the risk of it just being yourself (actually or just in the eyes of others), or else don’t make it two people behaving badly as it may as such even turn into a crowd or even a mob.

blooiejagwa wrote:
So what response woukd you suggest?

The very one you suggested other than getting construed as rude such as exemplified with funeralxempire regarding your brother where you recommended restraint ~ and rather than being sly and playing the victim or such like; learn to be more accordant to your values and those of the Wrong Planet membership requirements also. I mean don’t pander ~ negotiate diplomatically in an open and fair way involving your morality in balance with everyone’s ethical reality, so that your mind set and bodily setting are in tune here without having to be dismissive about or submissive to anybody.

blooiejagwa wrote:
Or with asd theory of mind issue whivh I surely have too-
one can forgive a presumption that we all share a hive mind and exact style of communicating to boot. So it is, evidently.

Consider looking beyond that narrative as theory of mind like any theory can be developed, as it is more often the communication impairments involving ‘all-or-nothing’ / ‘black-and-white’ thinking that is the greater problem ~ especially when people imagine one line or perspective of reasoning excludes or disproves another, when in fact they can confirm or prove the validity of the other.

blooiejagwa wrote:
3. You obviously enjoy this and From the get-go I have not. So as before Im done. You Can continue to quote and try and find ways to pull out what you want and have at it. :jester: If thats what you think is an effective way towards achieving an improved state of things here

Just as it was imagined I was angry in quasi-moderating funeralxempire’s post, I do not enjoy having to repeat the same information when you are not enjoying it, that gives me no pleasure whatsoever. :(

blooiejagwa wrote:
4. stating the same thing again and again is redundant in diff ways esp as you do not wish to believe it is sincere and honest on my end and we obviously do not share the same opinions on this to begin with.

I never for a moment imagined that your wish to be supportive and improve things here was not sincere and honest ~ never did I doubt that and never would I support anybody stating that they doubted that either, hence me stating that much to you.

Besides ~ without differences of opinion new combinations of interaction would never come about as their would be no reason to communicate if we all had the same opinion, I mean think about it ~ everything differs in some way or another for very particular reasons.

In nature individuality is not a crime but of absolute and infinite design.


The theory of mind comment was about you
Still disagree as where I stated what I did was milder than the other person nor was it behaving badly and it was in a thread intended for the purpose and i defended this forum using examples and alternate routes. Not behaving badly by any standards except here apparently :mrgreen:
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08 Aug 2020, 7:39 am

Vast quote trees will NOT make WP appealing to most who sign up here.

Depth of thought involves making written matter understandable to most who read it.



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08 Aug 2020, 8:23 am

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
One way to make WP better is to not harp on semantics all the time.

It makes for an unpleasant atmosphere here.


And what do you actually mean by "harp"? :mrgreen:

Fnord wrote:
Just as there will always be people who pretend to know the intent and motivations of others without ever having met them, and without ever having earned the appropriate credentials to do so.


It's a gift.
What can I say? :shrug: :mrgreen:


Isn't harp a cannon?


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08 Aug 2020, 8:26 am

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I am diagnosed with AS.

My mental state makes me have the AS characteristic of "preoccupation with order, lists, and formalities".

"Order" must come across in my posts.

That is what I do here.

I am not here for social, political, or autism.


I get "relief" from my condition by engaging in concepts, and putting them into an order in my mind.

Often, I will make lists of a-c or 1-3 with relevant information.

Often, I will post an accompanying picture, because I feel my words are messy.


Thanks for posting this. I've always wondered why the numbers posts were so popular. Makes total sense.