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08 Aug 2020, 6:27 pm

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Depth of thought involves making written matter understandable to most who read it.


I simply don't read them.

I am semi-dyslexic.
Too much work. :wink:



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08 Aug 2020, 6:33 pm

I was once told to “stay away from the [Greenwich] Village” under penalty of being smashed in the head by a chain.



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08 Aug 2020, 6:35 pm

it seeps into everything. esp for kids.
even tv shows can encourage it without kids or parents realizing
like that Kimmy Gibler in Full House being essentially treated like trash by grown men.

bullies also create new bullies like a virus.

like one of my elder cousins who was an adult at the time

bullied my brother when he was little --

without him telling us till recently - she had locked him in a room and told him he was a bad person and whatever else (he always refuses to give details).


and she also went around gossiping stuff to make him into a 'black sheep' with things even then weren't true (and my parents NEVER DEFENDED HIM even though they knew she was doing that)

or were small innocuous naughty kid things being exaggerated by her into monstrous things.
and badmouthed him here and there - till my early twenties.


she did that because my dad used to bully her when she was growing up ( they were close in age.)

which he admits to doing.

and then my brother who she bullied,
became a bully for a time, to another kid in the family (who he was friends with before)


so i saw it jumped like fleas or a virus especially realized it in retrospect (as my brother had hidden her thing of locking him in a room and badmouthing him-- for years from us)

thank goodness seems everyone is mature and forgave each other now .


discovered this spoiler thing so it will save a lot of people from having to see rambles.


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08 Aug 2020, 6:35 pm

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At least here, if things get too weird, I can just go away for a few days and no one will miss me (I once logged off for 7 months before someone posted "Where's Fnord?").


Later, there was a flood of:
"Damn! He's back!" :roll: :mrgreen:



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08 Aug 2020, 6:38 pm

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Of years I have been here, I have not been noticed and I have not seen my name mentioned. When someone would do a thread on me, I got very little responses.

I'm used to not being popular or not liked. It was that way too when I was a kid and I tried different personalities and that didn't work. People can tell when your behavior is fake or when you are just copying others "to be cool." So that might have been my problem right there when I was a kid and why no matter how nice I acted and mimicked niceness, I was still an outcast and still different.



I didn't stand out as much as some kids, but I could never entirely stay under the radar. I was overweight when I was young and got teased for it by the popular girls and I got shunned and picked on by the popular boys because I wasn't good at sports or hockey in particular. It seems like every athletic guy who's parents divorced made me his punching bag, and nobody gave a s**t. When I retaliated I'd get in trouble at school and then again at home. I started jumping them in the bathroom, or knocking them off the top of the playground equipment or behind the portables which usually just meant I'd get to deal with a pack later on, although at this point it was more likely to end in a shoving and yelling match but no real fighting.

I wrote a lot more but I didn't want to make this my autobiography. :mrgreen:


have yet to meet someone IRL who genuinely minds when a person is bullied in the usual way-esp kids, apart from their parents at the most. and usually just one parent.

if bullying is overt even then..but at odd times you read of the overt type being put in their place or whatever..consequences..
but again it's the fact that majority tolerates, and accepts, and even defends, bullies.


just as the lie becomes truth --
because outing the liar risks the rest of the chain of deceit / those who benefit from deceit, being picked apart.

unless they're TOLD to defend a certain type of target by someone else (eg media, even if subconsciously picked up with fiction - movies/tv shows) that's when people seem to care. "trending"...

otherwise, hey--

they might even watch someone getting their ribs broken and not care, or even be pleased about it, no matter how educated they are.

must be part of the
survival instinct. follow or be shot down.



I always notice people are black and white about bullying. Bullied victims and those who advocate against it think anyone is an accomplice when they do nothing about it when they see someone being bullied.

But what it is is if people to step in and defend the victim, they end up making enemies and getting the bullies and their friends pissed. My brother in 1st grade would defend someone who was being bullied and he would go to the duty ladies and the bullies would get in trouble. His own friends would get mad at him because he broke the hidden rule of friendship (friends don't tell and get each other into trouble) so they would give him the silent treatment and refuse to play with him and then they would get over it a few days later and be his friend again. This always hurt my brother and it's no wonder kids stay silent and do nothing when they see a kid being bullied. Adults do the same thing too, won't speak up or stand up for someone when they see them be mistreated because they don't want to get on their bad side and have consequences.

I can understand the victim's perspective, they see everyone being against them because no one ever defends them.


It takes a lot of people to stand up for someone and stand up against bullies than one person. Then the bully becomes helpless when everyone is siding against them because if they are mad at all of them, then everyone is in it together being punished by this bully and their bullying tactics become less powerful.


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08 Aug 2020, 6:40 pm

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I was once told to “stay away from the [Greenwich] Village” under penalty of being smashed in the head by a chain.


horrifying ..


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08 Aug 2020, 6:41 pm

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I do probably have a male way of communicating since my gender has been questioned online at other places.

I never saw male and female language, text is just text so I would have no way of understanding how does a woman talk and how does a man talk.


You can be quite aggressive.
That tends to be a more male trait. ;)



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08 Aug 2020, 6:49 pm

There are plenty of passive men in the world, and plenty of aggressive women.



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08 Aug 2020, 6:51 pm

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I do probably have a male way of communicating since my gender has been questioned online at other places.

I never saw male and female language, text is just text so I would have no way of understanding how does a woman talk and how does a man talk.


You can be quite aggressive.
That tends to be a more male trait. ;)


I assume you mean verbally.

Hopefully you don't mean personal attacks. I am not aware when I do them unless I call someone a butthead. :wink:


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08 Aug 2020, 6:59 pm

yes actually even in famous people it is interesting to notice.
especially if the image is the opposite of what the person is.

Like that man, Alice something.. the one with the eyeliner...


my nice brother is passive but the others are aggressive.
but the nice one becomes aggressive inwardly after things add up --
and tries to contain it.

my dad is aggressive seeming-- especially his face- but is actually passive...

appearances are deceiving.

previous L was surprised when he heard my dad's joke that i told him

. he thought my dad was a severe and stern person (which actually that L actually was and i was afraid of him)


but maybe the appearance (other people's impression) is from what u were in the past -- like an outer uniform - -and the actuality
is your more developed,
mature thoughtful self after a lot of life experiences/relection.

but what if the person feels deteriorated instead of improved--or became jaded,

their previously nice outer self probably melts away as it takes too much effort to maintain so you just see their actual feelings straight away.


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08 Aug 2020, 7:03 pm

Alice Cooper, who sang “School’s Out For Summer.”



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08 Aug 2020, 8:00 pm

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Vast quote trees will NOT make WP appealing to most who sign up here.

Depth of thought involves making written matter understandable to most who read it.


I simply don't read them.

I am semi-dyslexic.
Too much work. :wink:

You raise such good points for discussion
I am just a skyscraper poster though
Editing them down takes so much work
Yet that still leaves them as high rise posts :hmph:


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08 Aug 2020, 8:06 pm

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I always notice people are black and white about bullying. Bullied victims and those who advocate against it think anyone is an accomplice when they do nothing about it when they see someone being bullied.

But what it is is if people to step in and defend the victim, they end up making enemies and getting the bullies and their friends pissed. My brother in 1st grade would defend someone who was being bullied and he would go to the duty ladies and the bullies would get in trouble. His own friends would get mad at him because he broke the hidden rule of friendship (friends don't tell and get each other into trouble) so they would give him the silent treatment and refuse to play with him and then they would get over it a few days later and be his friend again. This always hurt my brother and it's no wonder kids stay silent and do nothing when they see a kid being bullied. Adults do the same thing too, won't speak up or stand up for someone when they see them be mistreated because they don't want to get on their bad side and have consequences.

I can understand the victim's perspective, they see everyone being against them because no one ever defends them.


It takes a lot of people to stand up for someone and stand up against bullies than one person. Then the bully becomes helpless when everyone is siding against them because if they are mad at all of them, then everyone is in it together being punished by this bully and their bullying tactics become less powerful.


I've been on both sides of bullying, although I didn't realize how often I had been a perpetrator until after I was done school. It's often complicated because in a lot of cases the kids who are bullies are also bullied in another context and it often amounts to the popular kids letting the outcasts pick who's going to be the 'sanctioned scapegoat' from among themselves, and often with a degree of official sanction because teachers and administrators tend to be sensitive to how 'the crowd' feels about certain kids, so they'll often turn a blind eye to certain types of kids being bullied.


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08 Aug 2020, 8:08 pm

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I always notice people are black and white about bullying. Bullied victims and those who advocate against it think anyone is an accomplice when they do nothing about it when they see someone being bullied.

But what it is is if people to step in and defend the victim, they end up making enemies and getting the bullies and their friends pissed. My brother in 1st grade would defend someone who was being bullied and he would go to the duty ladies and the bullies would get in trouble. His own friends would get mad at him because he broke the hidden rule of friendship (friends don't tell and get each other into trouble) so they would give him the silent treatment and refuse to play with him and then they would get over it a few days later and be his friend again. This always hurt my brother and it's no wonder kids stay silent and do nothing when they see a kid being bullied. Adults do the same thing too, won't speak up or stand up for someone when they see them be mistreated because they don't want to get on their bad side and have consequences.

I can understand the victim's perspective, they see everyone being against them because no one ever defends them.


It takes a lot of people to stand up for someone and stand up against bullies than one person. Then the bully becomes helpless when everyone is siding against them because if they are mad at all of them, then everyone is in it together being punished by this bully and their bullying tactics become less powerful.


I've been on both sides of bullying, although I didn't realize how often I had been a perpetrator until after I was done school. It's often complicated because in a lot of cases the kids who are bullies are also bullied in another context and it often amounts to the popular kids letting the outcasts pick who's going to be the 'sanctioned scapegoat' from among themselves, and often with a degree of official sanction because teachers and administrators tend to be sensitive to how 'the crowd' feels about certain kids, so they'll often turn a blind eye to certain types of kids being bullied.


Your school sounds like it sucks balls


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08 Aug 2020, 8:20 pm

I certainly wasn’t in “fashion” at my school.

The teachers sort of thought that I “deserved” to be bullied—because I had no social instinct whatsoever. And most teachers didn’t believe I had redeeming qualities. It was sort of a Social-Darwinist sort of mindset.

My attitude.....was to just take the bullying “like a man.” I never ratted out anybody. I went home to my books and TV and Hawaiian Punch—and gained lots of weight.



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08 Aug 2020, 8:38 pm

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I always notice people are black and white about bullying. Bullied victims and those who advocate against it think anyone is an accomplice when they do nothing about it when they see someone being bullied.

But what it is is if people to step in and defend the victim, they end up making enemies and getting the bullies and their friends pissed. My brother in 1st grade would defend someone who was being bullied and he would go to the duty ladies and the bullies would get in trouble. His own friends would get mad at him because he broke the hidden rule of friendship (friends don't tell and get each other into trouble) so they would give him the silent treatment and refuse to play with him and then they would get over it a few days later and be his friend again. This always hurt my brother and it's no wonder kids stay silent and do nothing when they see a kid being bullied. Adults do the same thing too, won't speak up or stand up for someone when they see them be mistreated because they don't want to get on their bad side and have consequences.

I can understand the victim's perspective, they see everyone being against them because no one ever defends them.


It takes a lot of people to stand up for someone and stand up against bullies than one person. Then the bully becomes helpless when everyone is siding against them because if they are mad at all of them, then everyone is in it together being punished by this bully and their bullying tactics become less powerful.


I've been on both sides of bullying, although I didn't realize how often I had been a perpetrator until after I was done school. It's often complicated because in a lot of cases the kids who are bullies are also bullied in another context and it often amounts to the popular kids letting the outcasts pick who's going to be the 'sanctioned scapegoat' from among themselves, and often with a degree of official sanction because teachers and administrators tend to be sensitive to how 'the crowd' feels about certain kids, so they'll often turn a blind eye to certain types of kids being bullied.


Your school sounds like it sucks balls


It did. I'm not sure if elementary school or high school was worse, both were uniquely horrible. My high school had no problem letting me withdraw from classes but overlooked that I was 'identified' since elementary school, meaning they should have given me an IEP and access to the resource class from day one, but instead I only got the bare minimum of help in my 6th year of high school.

I only started to figure out how to self-advocate on important stuff after I finally snapped on the new little old gremlin VP who replaced Mrs P (who was the mom of a classmate from elementary school and very kind to me). Basically I told Mrs. Hayward if the school wasn't going to take my complaints of harassment and physical assaults seriously I was going to address them hands on and if she called me to her office over it I'd treat her as one of the bullies because she was already one of them for picking on me for dressing weird and singling me out for issues I didn't have (like smoking on property when I'd never smoked tobacco in my life). I pointed out the only disciplinary issues I had ever had were poor attendance and fighting, both due to bullying the school allowed to continue; I told her I was leaving and that she didn't want to ever see me in her office again. She grabbed me by the shirt a day or two later and I didn't even slow down or acknowledge it. A 90lb person can't stop a 200lb person. She retired at the end of that year. :mrgreen:


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