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08 Jan 2016, 1:26 pm

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Could someone give me a few examples of topics that could be discussed in 'female gender only' forum, please?

I understand the need to get the purposely inappropriate derailments to stop, or at least dealt with before it becomes a mans topic. I am just stuck for ideas on what would be discussed differently if only people who identify as women could view the threads.


Not sure if I understand your question, or maybe it just seems obvious to me. I think we would discuss the same kinds of topics we have now, but more gals would feel comfortable participating if guys aren't involved and maybe the discussions would be more in-depth. And maybe sensitive topics like sexual assault or other sexual issues could be discussed more openly.


You understood and yes to some extent I was asking a question with an obvious answer. Its not obvious to me though, I rarely relax in an all female environment.



Participation in an all-female environment is purely voluntary, of course. I think, however, that you might be pleasantly surprised at how well it works -- I believe that we should at least trial an exclusive Women's forum, especially if a Men's forum was trialed in the past, even if it did not work out for any reason.

I don't want my daughter to be exposed to some of the toxicity I see here, and the bait-and-switch tactics employed by some people who have nothing better to do with their lives than to harass those dealing with challenges or issues that they don't have a blooming clue about. Teenaged girls go through a lot as it is, and I want my daughter to feel welcomed here (especially given her social challenges in real life) AND not be harangued / harassed / shamed for sharing her problems here (including have a sibling with severe autism that she is especially having trouble coping with).


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08 Jan 2016, 1:32 pm

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Most revolting though is when a guy is allowed to post their masturbatory fantasy as something that looks like it could be a serious question. This is an autism forum so many people obviously take things literally, and some might be very naive or young so they may not recognize the underlying intent. That allows predators to take advantage of disabled females due to the very nature of their disability. And leaving the women's section open to public view and search engines is only going to attract things like that.


That's the kind of thing that would PISS any parent off, especially a parent with a young, naive daughter. I am assuming that all IPs are logged and people can be traced back with some certainty, even if they opt to hide behind proxies or VPNs.

I also hope that the forum description is changed to reflect that some underaged females may participate there (there was a post from a 14-yr-old a little while ago that I remember, and there *may* be other young girls here), so people can either take their sick fantasies elsewhere or opt to face legal consequences for acting as if this were a fetish website to discuss your disturbing imaginations.


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08 Jan 2016, 1:41 pm

HisMom wrote:
I am assuming that all IPs are logged and people can be traced back with some certainty, even if they opt to hide behind proxies or VPNs.


No, most cannot be, particularly the trolls and predators. Just like the real world, the internet is a ruthless environment and you'll need to teach your children to defend themselves, yet without turning them paranoid and hateful or killing their joy of living. I speak from experience with mine.


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08 Jan 2016, 1:42 pm

What irked me about how the breast guy was dealt with, is last time I checked, he is still a member here and the thread wasn't even deleted, just moved to the adult section. Posting a thread like that was beyond just being socially inappropriate, it was utterly predatory behavior and it should have resulted in an immediate ban.

I'm also disappointed that no mods or admins are commenting in this thread.



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08 Jan 2016, 1:46 pm

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What irked me about how the breast guy was dealt with, is last time I checked, he is still a member here and the thread wasn't even deleted, just moved to the adult section. Posting a thread like that was beyond just being socially inappropriate, it was utterly predatory behavior and it should have resulted in an immediate ban.

I'm also disappointed that no mods or admins are commenting in this thread.


As far as I understand, he's an either formerly banned member or at least one hiding past "sins" under a new username.It seems like bans don't last very long these days, no wonder people care so little about consequences when they post.


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08 Jan 2016, 1:47 pm

dianthus wrote:
What irked me about how the breast guy was dealt with, is last time I checked, he is still a member here and the thread wasn't even deleted, just moved to the adult section. Posting a thread like that was beyond just being socially inappropriate, it was utterly predatory behavior and it should have resulted in an immediate ban.

I'm also disappointed that no mods or admins are commenting in this thread.


That's because they're probably all busy dealing with they believe are the "real issues" here. This is just a bunch of hens clucking about how roosters in the hen house are an abomination. They're probably also hoping that by ignoring this thread, said hens will all go away ... and it will then devolve into a happily ever after.

THAT, or they're just occupying ring-side seats, and munching on popcorn whilst perusing this thread.


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08 Jan 2016, 1:55 pm

HisMom wrote:
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What irked me about how the breast guy was dealt with, is last time I checked, he is still a member here and the thread wasn't even deleted, just moved to the adult section. Posting a thread like that was beyond just being socially inappropriate, it was utterly predatory behavior and it should have resulted in an immediate ban.

I'm also disappointed that no mods or admins are commenting in this thread.


That's because they're probably all busy dealing with they believe are the "real issues" here. This is just a bunch of hens clucking about how roosters in the hen house are an abomination. They're probably also hoping that by ignoring this thread, said hens will all go away ... and it will then devolve into a happily ever after.

THAT, or they're just occupying ring-side seats, and munching on popcorn whilst perusing this thread.


The moderators here face challenges and a lack of support most posters know absolutely nothing about. While few do indeed a rather poor job, the best ones just succumb over the years to stress and lack of appreciation from both the site owner and the membership.


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08 Jan 2016, 2:00 pm

dianthus wrote:
Most revolting though is when a guy is allowed to post their masturbatory fantasy as something that looks like it could be a serious question. This is an autism forum so many people obviously take things literally, and some might be very naive or young so they may not recognize the underlying intent. That allows predators to take advantage of disabled females due to the very nature of their disability. And leaving the women's section open to public view and search engines is only going to attract things like that.

Yeah that guy asked about periods in his first thread in the Women's forum, so it seemed like a legit question the next time too, but it wasn't.
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Participation in an all-female environment is purely voluntary, of course.

I don't know why exactly, but that sentence unnerves me.
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I think, however, that you might be pleasantly surprised at how well it works -- I believe that we should at least trial an exclusive Women's forum, especially if a Men's forum was trialed in the past, even if it did not work out for any reason.

I might indeed be pleasantly surprised, I would like it very much if a group of neurodiverse women would function differently to normative women, because my experience tells me that regardless of neurology, cattiness is guaranteed.
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I don't want my daughter to be exposed to some of the toxicity I see here, and the bait-and-switch tactics employed by some people who have nothing better to do with their lives than to harass those dealing with challenges or issues that they don't have a blooming clue about. Teenaged girls go through a lot as it is, and I want my daughter to feel welcomed here (especially given her social challenges in real life) AND not be harangued / harassed / shamed for sharing her problems here (including have a sibling with severe autism that she is especially having trouble coping with).

On WP someone in some forum will say something harassing to your daughter at some point, however I do believe that the toxicity needs to be dealt with. I still think that specific rules for etiquette in the Women's forum is the way forward.



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08 Jan 2016, 3:22 pm

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^ Thank you, Dox.
I wasn't aware that there had been a men's forum previously that failed.
This would make the hope for a women's forum slim to none.


And why would this be ? There is absolutely no reason to assume that a women's forum would also fail just because a men's forum failed by becoming too obnoxious or juvenile. Just look at this very thread ? Who's posting the majority of the juvenile / obnoxious messages and spewing 19 conspiracy theories to the dozen ? Not the women !

I'm not suggesting a women's forum would fail if set up.
I'm suggesting it would have little chance of being allowed in the first place owing to the failure of the men's forum.

E.g. Women ask for women's only forum.
Men say, "that would be sexist!" - (there's no men's forum, so why should there be a women's forum - to talk about us??)
There needs to be both a women's and men's forum, to be fair.
Men point out there was already a men's forum and it failed.
Women say that doesn't mean a woman's forum would fail.
Men say, "but that would be sexist!" - (there's no men's forum, so why should there be a women's forum - to talk about us??)

I can see this going around in everlasting circles.

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Clearly women who wish to complain about men should post in The Haven from this point on.
From what I've seen, it's perfectly acceptable to wish death on every member of the opposite gender with impunity in that forum.


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I assume that you are being facetious.

Maybe.
Maybe not.


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08 Jan 2016, 3:35 pm

I don't think the men's forum that failed was a men's only forum. It was the men's version of the women's forum we still have now. The men's version was scrapped because they got too raunchy.

This is far from the first time that women have asked to have men barred from the women's section. There is a stickied thread in that forum about it and there is also a link to another thread about it in the "similar topics" section at the bottom of this thread. It's already been shot down before so I'd be really surprised if they do anything to change it now. But that won't stop me from voicing my opinion about it.



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09 Jan 2016, 2:04 am

Perhaps a poll should be conducted to see how much support a women's only forum would receive amongst members as a whole.
I would be interested to see the reaction.


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09 Jan 2016, 2:27 am

If there were a decent moderation it would be fine how it is, but ...and...there's so much to think about, so many funding to get, visits to count, etc.
and I don't see it appropriate that 'trans' are leading the woman section neither.



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09 Jan 2016, 6:16 pm

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If there were a decent moderation it would be fine how it is, but ...and...there's so much to think about, so many funding to get, visits to count, etc.
and I don't see it appropriate that 'trans' are leading the woman section neither.


Who is leading the women's section? I don't even know who the mods are now.



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09 Jan 2016, 6:44 pm

List of current mods from the first page of the moderator attention thread.

Who_Am_I
XFilesGeek
The_Walrus
Skilpadde
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Kiprobalhato
envirozentinel

I haven't seen Who Am I or The Walrus for a long time and B19 seems to have stopped posting too.



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09 Jan 2016, 11:26 pm

I am against a women's only forum on wp.
I don't think that women excluding men or men excluding women from communicating online in restricted forums is going to help anything.


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10 Jan 2016, 10:53 am

The mods haven't responded to this thread because the issue of a "women only" forum has already been discussed and dismissed as a viable solution the the Battle of the Sexes.

Additionally, we don't have the power to restrict certain users from certain forums. Only admins can do that, not moderators.


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