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Is something bad going on here?
Yes - it looks weird and no one is trying to explain it 55%  55%  [ 11 ]
No - you are paranoid 20%  20%  [ 4 ]
Don't know - but it sure looks odd 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 20

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25 May 2007, 10:28 am

calandale wrote:
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Further, how does one actually become a moderator; what requirements do they have to fulfill?


Alex more or less picks them at random.


...is that such a good idea?


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25 May 2007, 10:44 am

Mitch8817 wrote:
calandale wrote:
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Further, how does one actually become a moderator; what requirements do they have to fulfill?


Alex more or less picks them at random.


...is that such a good idea?


HA!


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25 May 2007, 10:46 am

I broke no rules by bumping my own topic.


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25 May 2007, 10:48 am

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I don't see how you can accuse Bizarre of instigating anything. She was simply trying to find out what was going on with the hacking of her mailbox and since she got no response from Alex she had to do it via the forum. I think to use the phrase 'pure spite' is over-emotional tosh on your part. You obviously have a personal grudge against her and are using your position as a moderator to get at her i.e. locking her threads. I thought Moderators were supposed to be impartial. Ha! You attacked Bizarre the other day when she'd already left, then when I complained you removed your post so no-one could see what you'd written. If anyone is 'stoking the fire' here it's you.
You say the reason for your locking of her thread was "well explained" ...threads shouldn't be so flippantly locked, posts moved or deleted as they are here, it's ridiculous over-moderation. Freedom of speech should always take priority over your own personal opinion of a a member's viewpoint. I wonder how long it will be before this thread too gets locked?


1. If someone is trying to find something out,
a BUMP on an already sore topic is not the way
to do it.

2. I have no grudge against her. Never interacted with
her. I thought that the personal attacks that she made
on Grael were out of line, but also feel that speech against
moderators is protected.

3. That post is sitting in the mod board. It was NOT an attack.
I removed it, in order to avoid re-opening wounds, as well as
to avoid discussing a member who was supposedly no longer
here. That being the case, it seemed pointless, and was upsetting
you - only thus was it removed.

If it wasn't an attack then you deleted it just because I asked you to? Do you often delete posts because members ask you to? How many such member-requested deleted posts have there been?
You did attack her and you chickened out about it because you knew your Moderator-ship would be called into question by revealing your obvious partiality.


4. OVERMODERATION? Good lords. We remove almost nothing.

I'd be very interested in seeing the 'almost nothing' you remove. And don't bring the other Mods into it by referring to 'we', I'm talking to you.
I know for a fact that you moved some of my posts and put into a different thread entitled 'Posted in wrong thread, Complaints'...I was actually trying to help with the Graelwyn/Bizarre bust-up by trying to get the attention of a Mod to stop it before it went too far. No-one took any notice, just moved my posts. I wasn't complaining about anything I was asking for help.


5. This thread is being conducted in a reasonable manner, and
I see NO reason that it would be locked. A couple of posts getting
around the censor were deleted, and yours was edited, in order
to remove the offensive content.

Sorry you find my content offensive. I find your Moderatorship offensive but unfortunately I haven't got a big 'delete' button.

Bizarre's mail box was hacked. She complained and Bazza defended her and now his mailbox has been hacked. The Bizarre/Graelwyn business is not the issue here as far as I'm concerned. Who is hacking into people's mailboxes and why? And why is it only certain people?

PS. To the hacker...you can hack into my mailbox any time you like, I'm going on holiday, so I couldn't give a flying duck. (I've removed my own offensive content to save you the bother)



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25 May 2007, 11:09 am

calandale wrote:
Interesting. Odd that atomika
would be clever enough to
exploit that, on it's own.

A person who would exploit a bug like this is not clever. They probably just stumbled on it by accident. Not even a script kiddie would be interested in this. It is just post count no big deal.



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25 May 2007, 11:58 am

bizarre wrote:
I broke no rules by bumping my own topic.


No doubt. Never said that you did.



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25 May 2007, 12:08 pm

Starr wrote:

3. That post is sitting in the mod board. It was NOT an attack.
I removed it, in order to avoid re-opening wounds, as well as
to avoid discussing a member who was supposedly no longer
here. That being the case, it seemed pointless, and was upsetting
you - only thus was it removed.

If it wasn't an attack then you deleted it just because I asked you to? Do you often delete posts because members ask you to? How many such member-requested deleted posts have there been?
You did attack her and you chickened out about it because you knew your Moderator-ship would be called into question by revealing your obvious partiality.


I have deleted other people's posts when they accidentally double
post. Members, in general, alter/remove their own posts, when they
feel that they might upset someone. Then, as a mod, I tend to clean
up the empty posts. Here, I combined both steps, but did save the
post for posterity, as I was concerned that we might have further
difficulties, and I might wish to reuse it.


Starr wrote:
4. OVERMODERATION? Good lords. We remove almost nothing.

I'd be very interested in seeing the 'almost nothing' you remove. And don't bring the other Mods into it by referring to 'we', I'm talking to you.
I know for a fact that you moved some of my posts and put into a different thread entitled 'Posted in wrong thread, Complaints'...I was actually trying to help with the Graelwyn/Bizarre bust-up by trying to get the attention of a Mod to stop it before it went too far. No-one took any notice, just moved my posts. I wasn't complaining about anything I was asking for help.


Personally? That's pretty easy. I've removed some flame wars.
I've also deleted some posts which are severely in violation
of the rules, or seem to express (even jokingly) hate speech.
Perhaps it's more than should be removed, but seemed to
fit my mandate.

Starr wrote:
5. This thread is being conducted in a reasonable manner, and
I see NO reason that it would be locked. A couple of posts getting
around the censor were deleted, and yours was edited, in order
to remove the offensive content.

Sorry you find my content offensive. I find your Moderatorship offensive but unfortunately I haven't got a big 'delete' button.


The removed content was simply the word, posted to avoid the auto censor.
No problem, if this was in the age restricted section. I removed the other posts,
which added nothing but discussion of whether that word could be used. I fully
understand why you used it, and have no real objection, but none of them should
have been there.

Starr wrote:
Bizarre's mail box was hacked. She complained and Bazza defended her and now his mailbox has been hacked. The Bizarre/Graelwyn business is not the issue here as far as I'm concerned. Who is hacking into people's mailboxes and why? And why is it only certain people?

PS. To the hacker...you can hack into my mailbox any time you like, I'm going on holiday, so I couldn't give a flying duck. (I've removed my own offensive content to save you the bother)



A good question. One assumes whoever did it
was clever enough not to leave traces though.



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25 May 2007, 12:17 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
If Alex could fix all the problems he would. Also he has ADHD like alot people here and he is at its mercy on what he can focus on.


Some problems are more severe than others, and as such need more attention than others. I can understand getting distracted and having difficulty focusing, I'm not great at it either. That being said, one can't simply repetitively fall back on excuses if no progress can be seen.

If this were a simple bug, I don't think people would be quite as concerned. It sure doesn't appear to be a bug. That suggests a security risk. I can't think of many greater concerns for a website. At least for me, I would consider addressing that kind of problem to be something that should be done before one would browse the forums and post less than helpful links to information that anyone could find with Google.



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25 May 2007, 1:08 pm

calandale wrote:
A good question. One assumes whoever did it
was clever enough not to leave traces though.


If someone had investigated my complaint when it happened instead of waiting 2 weeks they wouldn't have had all this time to cover their a$$.


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25 May 2007, 1:12 pm

bizarre wrote:
calandale wrote:
A good question. One assumes whoever did it
was clever enough not to leave traces though.


If someone had investigated my complaint when it happened instead of waiting 2 weeks they wouldn't have had all this time to cover their a$$.


I'm not aware of just how much power they have, but I don't think any of the mods even have the capacity to investigate this kind of problem. That'd be up to the admin, and that issue's been covered pretty well.



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25 May 2007, 1:12 pm

bizarre wrote:
calandale wrote:
A good question. One assumes whoever did it
was clever enough not to leave traces though.


If someone had investigated my complaint when it happened instead of waiting 2 weeks they wouldn't have had all this time to cover their a$$.


I doubt that (if they cared) they did it in such
a way as to be caught.

BTW - I'm flattered by your sig. :P



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25 May 2007, 3:14 pm

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I really don't see calandale as a "hacker..." he just seems to lack the knowledge and attitude.


I agree. Not sure about the knowledge part, but it doesn't seem to be his style. Pointing fingers randomly isn't doing anything except making people angry.

Yes, this is a serious issue. It needs to be addressed as soon as possible. When possible. (Someone else mentioned that Alex is in college. Exams are coming up, and studying takes quite a bit of time.) The specific people who are receiving this error makes it look like more than just a bug. Tempers are obviously running high.

However, that does not mean people need to be running around yelling at each other and accussing everyone. Honestly, that's just going to set the issue back, because it looks more like petty squabbling than anything else. Midway through this thread, the whole PM thing gets sidelined for the you're a bad mod/person / random accusations comments. Concentrating on the issue - the PM situation by itself - would be the most beneficial thing.


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25 May 2007, 3:37 pm

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(Someone else mentioned that Alex is in college. Exams are coming up, and studying takes quite a bit of time.)


He goes to GMU. (According to his website at least.)

GMU Website wrote:
The 40th annual George Mason University commencement is scheduled for Saturday, May 19th, 2007 at 10:00 a.m. in the Patriot Center.

Exams usually end before commencement occurs. That may not be the case, but I would say it is a safe assumption. He may have summer classes. Sure, that's a possibility. If that's the case, when will the website be taken care of?



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25 May 2007, 4:50 pm

Well it appears someone put a language filter up to change the f*** word to gosh darn it. That requires admin access.



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25 May 2007, 4:51 pm

test:

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Apatura wrote:
Well it appears someone put a language filter up to change the f*** word to gosh darn it. That requires admin access.


When was that? Even then, is that really all that helpful for the site?



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25 May 2007, 4:57 pm

Well, this is what I am seeing:

Image

Unless a mod altered it.