Making it Better: The future of WP
Then when I was fighting back, they decided to say I have a behavior and wanted to put me in a class with kids with aggression issues.
My school would also ignore my IEP and my parents always had to fight it. I have read comments online by posters who say they are teachers and they claim how parents will just get their kids diagnosed with anything for an IEP just because they are lazy and there was one teacher who was the exception. He had this student in his English class who was on the IEP for dyslexia, he ignored the IEP and made him do the actual school work like read and stuff and the kid finally did it when the teacher made him and was firm and consistent. Over the years, the kid was just lazy and never was made to do any actual school work and he was given a label because he wasn't doing any school work. I am sure my school thought I was one of those kids because I looked normal and I wasn't acting too different because I didn't look like a special needs child. I looked normal and didn't seem to be any different than other kids. They might have thought I just needed tougher treatment and I would be normal. I guess that explains their treatment on me as a child and all I did was felt singled out, discriminated, and I saw the double standards. You cannot enforce anything on me but not enforce it on everyone else or else I see discrimination. So my school had a problem with me because I did not accept injustice and double standards.
Years later I find out things are always enforced on special ed kids so they tend to be more polite than normal kids. This might also explain it for me as well and I did not accept it and because I didn't accept it, I had a "behavior problem." Their system did not work with me and even my therapist told them this was not a League Girl problem, this was a school system problem.
Lot of schools will try and get away with it if the parents do not know their rights and don't know how to advocate for their child. Schools will even try and deny an IEP for a child saying they don't need one. They tried to do that for me when I was 8 when my mom forced them to test me to prove to her I belonged in a self contained class. It was shown I didn't belong in there and I could read and I knew how to add and subtract and I knew my alphabet and because of all these things, I didn't need an IEP they said. But my parents fought it and I was still able to keep it.
I have heard the opposite now that any kid can get on the IEP and many of them fall under "other health impairment" because more kids are getting diagnosed and some medical professionals believe these kids are actually normal and parents are just lazy. IMO, I say humans are evolving so there are more and more kids with different learning styles and the education system needs to change and there will be less special needs kids.
Kids are being given less recess now so they are more restless now and have troubles focusing so the ADHD diagnoses has increased. Kids are expected to sit for long periods of time and listen for long periods of time and they are not being given enough down time. When I see articles about this, it makes me think "no wonder the ADHD diagnoses has increased."
And schools can give out IEPs and put them under categories so they can say a kid has ADHD or something but it wouldn't be a true diagnoses. A kid does not need a medical diagnoses to have an IEP. The school will do it and Oregon gives schools more funding if they have an IEP student, especially with ASD. I speak from experience as a parent.
I am sure things would have been different for me as a kid if schools were given more fundings for every student they have on the IEP.
I think schools will try and cut corners to save money if they are not given any extra fundings for an IEP student so it is up for the parents to figure out what their rights are and how to advocate for their child.
What a conundrum.. In order to be taken srsly u have to havr your parents be a pain in the neck, be a doormat/pushover, then be tough too but not TOO tough were u are on par with the instigators/actual bullies...
I dont think ppl are evolving that much with respect to learning styles to be honest though im sure u are right
I think one of the thinga is pre industrial revolution society could be flexible and schools were smaller too so more focused anf the 'safety net' wd be your family/small social circle.
I am no expert but Charles Dickens (who was a 'SJW' by Victorian standards for the issues of that era--
but highly intelligent and creative in how he went about things n highly respected)
traced the industrial revolution to a certain rigid and harsh approach to teaching etc that he took issue with.
Seems the industrial revolution brought just as much misery as ease.
The book is 'Hard Times' in which he describes this type of schooling and teachers in the story and he wrote letters n articles etc he even was in correspondence with politicians n whatnot
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And mostly off topic?
Is there any real need?
Can some people go off and chat about off-topic related stuff or create a new thread?
It would certainly help this thread to be more on track and find solutions to making wp better.
Er? Bump just a little bit.
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^Though interesting, the thread HAS gone a bit off topic and a general discussion about bullying. Many of us faced that, so did I but we need to focus on how we can make WP a better experience for our loyal older as well as newer users. Speaking of which, thank you to those who take the time to welcome new members and maybe get to know them better.
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That was pretty much everybody’s attitude back then. There was no such thing as anti bullying campaigns. Being a “rat” was considered the worst thing. Bullying was considered boys being boys, a normal part of growing up. If you did not or could not fight back you were a “loser” and a bunch of other pejoratives. The bullies were the popular kids, got all the girls and became President of the United States.
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Back to the topic of how to make WP a better place - I agree with environ that we also need to make an effort to welcome new people into the forums.
There is a consistent and ever changing members who do welcome new people when they identify as such. That is a very positive thing that WP is doing.
But after that, the person is left on his/her/their own to figure things out. Amity has written a good introduction as to how WP works and if we could figure out a way to get that a bit more official. Can it be made a sticky? And perhaps in the welcoming thread, newcomers could be directed to that sticky.
Following the introduction and welcome, I think new members are left to sink or swim. Getting from newcomer to integrated member is an unclear process.
Perhaps I just need to pay more attention to the "levels" displayed above the avatar and from their pay more attention to the newer folks.
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There is a consistent and ever changing members who do welcome new people when they identify as such. That is a very positive thing that WP is doing.
But after that, the person is left on his/her/their own to figure things out. Amity has written a good introduction as to how WP works and if we could figure out a way to get that a bit more official. Can it be made a sticky? And perhaps in the welcoming thread, newcomers could be directed to that sticky.
Following the introduction and welcome, I think new members are left to sink or swim. Getting from newcomer to integrated member is an unclear process.
Perhaps I just need to pay more attention to the "levels" displayed above the avatar and from their pay more attention to the newer folks.
Absolutely agree. A warm welcome makes all the difference to whether new members will feel comfortable enough to stay. I would like Amity's post to be stickied as well, it's brilliant.
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There is a consistent and ever changing members who do welcome new people when they identify as such. That is a very positive thing that WP is doing.
But after that, the person is left on his/her/their own to figure things out. Amity has written a good introduction as to how WP works and if we could figure out a way to get that a bit more official. Can it be made a sticky? And perhaps in the welcoming thread, newcomers could be directed to that sticky.
Following the introduction and welcome, I think new members are left to sink or swim. Getting from newcomer to integrated member is an unclear process.
Perhaps I just need to pay more attention to the "levels" displayed above the avatar and from their pay more attention to the newer folks.
Absolutely agree. A warm welcome makes all the difference to whether new members will feel comfortable enough to stay. I would like Amity's post to be stickied as well, it's brilliant.
Perhaps if someone mentions a thread of particular interest ~ they could leave a link to it or at least the title maybe?
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I wasn’t really popular when I had only 50 posts. I would comment on something ....and the thread would die.
There is the tendency—like anywhere else—for newcomers to not be trusted. I had to “earn” the trust of members, so to speak.
Though I do find this occurs less often on WP than in most places.
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I believe a lot of this is tied to how we're generally poor at integrating ourselves and others socially. How often do cats form herds?
Unfortunately this means even if we're in circumstances that might enable social behaviour we still struggle to actually do it because we're inherently untrusting of our ability to do it and the motives of the others we encounter. We're hesitant to do the things that people do to integrate themselves (like sharing about themselves, for example) and this means the longer term members don't really get to welcome new posters.
When new posters delve into some areas like L&D or PPR they get drawn into divisive conversations that tend to encourage them to become integrated with only a portion of members and generally they represent an ideological bloc to some extent. This might explain part of the polarization effect that people describe. The only positive of becoming involved in this aspect is that those threads do contain a fair bit of personal banter and chatter, so they get to know people.
When they start participating in the games they don't get to know the other players because those threads are usually pretty 'on-topic' with little banter. Unless they start to explore further they'll never really get to know anyone else as a person.
Many of us have had bad experiences with trying to participate in groups and this tends to encourages our asocial traits because they protect us from further bad experiences to an extent. Even though we rationally understand that this place is filled with people kinda like me, it's hard to overcome this conditioning. I believe that even if we were to hold some sort of physical meetup there would likely be a lot of wallflowering and hesitancy to mingle.
It's not that we can't integrate and don't feel the need for socialization, it's just that we're less that properly equipped to pursue those needs.
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Back on topic
: there has been a concerted effort to welcome new members. More and more new members are “listened to.” More and more integrate into the fabric of WP quicker than in the past.
I had 500 posts before I wasn’t considered a newbie.
