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17 Aug 2020, 4:36 am

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I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...



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17 Aug 2020, 8:04 am

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Fnord wrote:
I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
There's nothing wrong with asking mods to merge identical threads,that should be done,all identical threads should be merged with the oldest given as credit for OP.In this case same OP,I do though suspect that responses to said threads were less kind,to that I agree Steve.


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17 Aug 2020, 8:16 am

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I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
Who set you up as my judge and jury?  When did reporting an infraction of The Rules become an infraction of The Rules?

If you want to welcome newbies to this website, go for it; but if you don't want people to follow The Rules, that's your problem, not mine.

Calling someone a d*ck is an infraction, and don't expect to hide behind an asterisk.


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17 Aug 2020, 8:19 am

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Fnord wrote:
I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
There's nothing wrong with asking mods to merge identical threads,that should be done,all identical threads should be merged with the oldest given as credit for OP.In this case same OP,I do though suspect that responses to said threads were less kind,to that I agree Steve.
So you think I'm a "d*ck" to, eh?  Noted.


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17 Aug 2020, 8:23 am

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Who set you up as my judge and jury?  When did reporting an infraction of The Rules become an infraction of The Rules?

If you want to welcome newbies to this website, go for it; but if you don't want people to follow The Rules, that's your problem, not mine.

Calling someone a d*ck is an infraction, and don't expect to hide behind an asterisk.

Sure, we need rules. But did you need to beat the poor guy over the head with the rules two posts in? I'm saying it could have been dealt with more delicately.

Are you presuming to know my intent behind the asterisk?



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17 Aug 2020, 8:25 am

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So you think I'm a "d*ck" to, eh?  Noted.
It's too.



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17 Aug 2020, 8:31 am

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So you think I'm a "d*ck" to, eh?  Noted.
It's too.
Thank you for the correction.


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17 Aug 2020, 8:58 am

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Steve1963 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
There's nothing wrong with asking mods to merge identical threads,that should be done,all identical threads should be merged with the oldest given as credit for OP.In this case same OP,I do though suspect that responses to said threads were less kind,to that I agree Steve.


I do seem to recall something like that where it looked as though a new member was asking questions through new threads as a way to separate the answers received for the initial question separate from those for later questions where more clarification/detail was being sought.

The post to the moderators about it did seem very harsh, given that it appeared that the person asking the question may not have been aware of the etiquet regarding keeping everything muddled in what may have ended as being a rather confusing single thread (or potentially had issues with this type of thread and needed separate threads for their own ability to process responces), and I don't recall anything being mentioned to the member about accepted behaviour with threads before the post for moderator attention was made.



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17 Aug 2020, 9:02 am

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Fnord wrote:
I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
Who set you up as my judge and jury?  When did reporting an infraction of The Rules become an infraction of The Rules?

If you want to welcome newbies to this website, go for it; but if you don't want people to follow The Rules, that's your problem, not mine.

Calling someone a d*ck is an infraction, and don't expect to hide behind an asterisk.


Just a thought: Why not try EXPLAINING the rules to a new member before calling in the moderators: It could save everyone a lot of time.

After all, if you have time to go to another forum page, open a topic there and post (with links) to problem topics, you obviously have the time to calmly explain to the user what they should be doing in one of their "problem" topics.



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17 Aug 2020, 9:03 am

If anyone could know what The Rules are, then they should know what The Rules are.

Ignorance of The Rules is not an excuse, as they apply to everyone, equally, and all of the time -- at least, they should.


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17 Aug 2020, 9:06 am

I can't recall, but doesn't WP have one of those "I have read and understood the rules" checkboxes when you register?


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17 Aug 2020, 9:07 am

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Just a thought: Why not try EXPLAINING the rules to a new member before calling in the moderators: It could save everyone a lot of time...
Just a thought: Why don't YOU do it instead?

Imagine how much time and effort would be saved if only you were the first person to greet newcomers with a fully detailed explanation of the "Thou Shalts" and "Thou Shalt Nots" of this website.  Imagine how much better life would be for us all if only you would just greet newcomers instead of trying to dictate how the rest of us should behave.


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17 Aug 2020, 9:09 am

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I can't recall, but doesn't WP have one of those "I have read and understood the rules" checkboxes when you register?
If it doesn't, it should; it would render irrelevant a lot of whining and excuses by newcomers and those who feel sorry for them.


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17 Aug 2020, 9:11 am

^because heaven forbid we have empathy for others.



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17 Aug 2020, 9:12 am

Could we avoid a situation on this thread where multiple members focus on just one person, please? :).
The focus is supposed to be on solutions.

Yes I know he is able to look after himself, that's not the point though.


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17 Aug 2020, 9:12 am

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A few weeks ago a lady from the UAE posted asking for advice about her ASD child, it was her first post I think, a polite and short post I am not sure which forum. This is a lady who searched the internet until she found us. A light in the darkness of her struggle, reaching out to people who may give her a glimmer of hope. Reaching out for help to strangers can sometimes be a difficult move.

One response from a WP member absolutely shocked me. All he said was something on the lines of: Move to another country where they don't abuse peoples' civil rights. Something along these lines.

What happened here is this.

A woman asks for help not talking about the country she lives in but she writes United Arab Emirates on her profile.
The said member ignored her question but attacked her country. I don't need to elaborate on how wrong this is. Nasty, even prejudiced and deliberate.
The lady of course disappeared.

I wanted to report it because it seemed so verbally violent to me and I felt so bad for her. She came for help and got a slap in the face.

What is the lesson to be learned here? I don't know. It was a personal attack on a complete stranger, on her homeland , that she has the right to love and respect and had nothing to do with her question.
I don't want to say who made this hurtful, irreversible error but I suggest that we read our posts several times before posting to avoid such incidents.

Mother seeking help = attacking her country. Is that appropriate? Not sure. If I am not sure then I won't post it.


that is awful :cry:
you're v compassionate.
i would have reported. but looking back, i didn't report another user's post that was very abusive and racist towards someone here...so i probably wouldn't have. but not out of compassion.. .just from feeling sure no action would be taken..


Whoops. I always pray that nobody has read the posts that I think may be doing more harm than good with before I delete them. I am a bit hot-headed. If it was meant to be seen then that is fate I suppose. I need to practice what I preach more.

The whole point is not to victimize specific people here on this thread but to get to the root of things and fix them. My aspie "friend" never admits he's wrong, never.
He will though mull things over, lengthily, and modify his behaviour in the main, but it's difficult, like getting blood out of a stone.

Nothing in communication can be fixed unless we acknowledge that it's broken. That's a big challenge with NT's also, acknowleging our defects is a tough one.

I am relieved that this lady is still here and chapeau to her for staying.


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