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Sorry, DW_a_mom, I had no intention to attack you - you're very active here and I was pretty sure you've got a lot on your plate. But you were not the only one I've contacted and I was merely trying to point how this method might not always work so well. Especially since it's hard to figure if you just get ignored so you'd go away or people are too busy to answer or just don't know what to answer at all...

No need to worry about me any more as things are sort of clear now - I really apologize is you felt attacked.

No apology necessary. I didn't feel attacked. I read your post and thought, "oops, I was one of those," so I wanted to answer.

Personally I think some of them deserved to be banned, there are some highly disturbed psychotic members there that should be locked away, I won't name names but I think you know of who I am referring too. What really changed my mind on you was your gloating over there on Sinsboldy getting de-modded, not very good form on your part, I sort of had some respect for you, but your "Who will be the next person banned on WP?" thread showed me you are no better then the Naziqueen and the ButtHead.


I absolutely agree

As I wrote, I DID contact mods and Alex and was not taken seriously even when they were harassing a 16 year old with a nasty blog piece in their honour. Of course it looks like there is still problems in this regard.
How does your advice look in the face of this? What further "courses of action do you advice" apart from do nothing?

I say LG had good reason and you are short on facts.

Besides are you allowed to be talking about LG like that on here? I wonder?

I actually think LG is better then that, I think alot of people look up to her, I still do, but I just didn't like that she had to gloat over SB getting de-modded at zOMG.
If you read my signature you may understand why I have some respect for the crap that mods have to go though, I know I couldn't do it and be diplomatic, just be glad they are.

This will not become a discussion on the merits of the two different forums. If you have problems with the behavior of someone on another forum, please deal with it there or elsewhere - not here. Friskeygirl, League_Girl, rossc: this applies to all of you, as well as the thread in general. As to being short of facts, I would venture to say that anyone not directly involved with an incident is going to be short of facts; even those involved may lack the perspective or unwilling to accept their own responsibility for the consequences of their actions. So these third-party rehashings don't serve much purpose in my eyes other than to allow an avenue for their frustrations to be vented, since they too are lacking in facts and balance.

rossc, I can't adequately answer your questions regarding that situation: from what I can tell, I wasn't a member here at that time, much less a moderator. When I received a complaint, I deal with it as quickly and fairly as I can. That doesn't mean that the person get the answer they want, or that they should take matters into their own hands if that is the case. If you want to PM me with more regarding the original incident, I'll be glad to look into it further.


M.

I agree, I won't bring the subject up again

League_Girl? did you do that? really?


Merle

You know I did.

that hurts my feelings, Beth

Sure. I guess.
I don't think I have mentioned yet anyone else's behaviour on another forum. Will keep your warning in mind should I wish to discuss the merits of other fora or the behaviours of others on different forum though.



No you weren't and maybe were you I would not have taken things into my on hands.
The point was not in looking to resolve a problem o two years ago. It is not an ongoing issue.
My point was two -fold. One the implication of my reasoned points being condemned on the basis of my having come back after being banned (yes I was invited back) and therefore some how this was supposed to devalue said points. I gave good reason for my past actions.
Secondly I wanted to show that IF a member looks to the moderation team for answers and/or support (in situations where they are "supposed to") and gets ignored then is it surprising that situations like mine may arise? Good outcome would be that I was contacted back with "some" answer. Better still that me pre-warning the mods would have been taken seriously before minors on this support site were vilified off the forum from quotes made on the forum.
The writing was on the wall and was put up there by me. I had hoped it would not have been ignored by everyone but it was.
PMs now? No the ship sailed long ago on that one and the system failed. Failed me and the ones he bullied. The "Ask a mod first" solution doesn't strike me as a good approach based on this personal experience.
(I want you to know though, I am not saying my approach was within the rules. Nor that I ought not have been banned 3 times for my efforts at driving him away. I deserved what I got on the basis of did. No contest. My objections are as above and not on "unfair bannings". I see the issues as different.)

Discuss the merits of the strategies used elsewhere, if you have suggestions; do not bring up other fora, as the end result is ultimately conflict between the two memberships and that is not a productive goal or part of the purpose of this site. Is that a fair enough compromise, by focusing on the issue and not the comparative aspects?

I appreciate you being forthright in your response. Yes, I am aware and verified that you were invited back under this account; I do not think I've devalued your opinion on that basis though I can see where one, given a history of violating the site rules, would also find that person's perspective to have reason to be seen as initially more questionable. And when we stick to the talking point, I find that we're able to have pretty reasonable discussions thus far. Again, I can't speak to the situation you were involved in... all I can do is make post-mortem commentary. Yes, getting some answer to your concern would be appropriate. That is coupled with the fact that the answer you get/would have gotten would not be the one you wanted to hear. WrongPlanet, while having some member-restricted area, is largely a public forum and anything posted here can be copied, pasted, and posted to another website where neither the member, the moderators, or even the site owner can do anything about it. Even when a post is removed from the forums, there is often a cached copy saved on Google's servers which preserves the information in yet another location. What you're suggesting is action being taken on WP on the basis of behaviors exhibited elsewhere - which establishes a worse precedent in my mind, and would likely lead to action being taken against a fairly large number of individuals instead of the one you've targeted. While I respect the intention with which you chose to act, that you seem surprised that the consequences of those actions were implemented does confuse me. And while you had a bad experience in that situation, one 'failure' does not mean that a system is dysfunctional. If you see fault with the system, what do you suggest as an alternative?


M.

The reason she did that was because there was an unfair situation in you banning Beth when you and her at the time had an issue with each other and plus you deleted her account which for some reason, it just seems to messes up the database which did not make Alex happy in any way.

From investing other incidents that you and the other people may have caused which alex then chose to de-mod you and some of the moderatating team and also removed some of the privileges with some of the other moderators.

That's just the information that I know about so far.

Did you have to say that to her out in the open rather than in PM?

I thought about sending her one too but I wasn't sure if I should or not.

Superboyian, you're operating as much on assumption as SG is... there are times when it does not serve you in any way to continue to speculate on things where you do not have sufficient information. If you have a problem, contact a moderator or reach out to Alex - this subject has been flogged past the point of recognition.


M.

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