Why are people just so open about illegality on this board?

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No, it's just that we don't come to the same conclusions that you do.

We are very responsive to the membership. I consider networking through a web forum to be a very AS thing. If this is an issue for a significantly large segment of the membership, 10 or 20% or more, then I'm confident you will find 1 to 2% who will add their voice to yours.

Pandora, you seem to put yourself out in front quite often like this. I keep seeing where you write about all the people who dislike you and how no one listens to you when I see the opposite.
You seem to take on this role of being a target even when there is no evidence to support it.
People disagree with each other here and elsewhere on the internet and in real life.
This disagreement is not necessarily about you personally... mostly I see it as disagreement about your position in the argument.
I hope someday you can stop holding yourself down with all these false ideas that everyone is against you personally.



This is what I call a cheap shot! You seem to want respect from others here... this is not the way to go about it in my opinion.
I see this as a personal attack on MrMark and that is unfortunate.
I think the moderators do a good job here and do not deserve personal attacks any more than the other members.

Pandora and GBollard spend an awful lot of their time here chastizing other people's interests, posts, and rebuttals to their posts.
Where other people engage in meaningful conversation (except for the 'games' forum which gbollard recently attacked because of 'mindless posts'), you two keep on your crusade to 'Clean Up' Wrong Planet.
While many people have agreed, in part, with some of your desires and ideas, you do seem to be in the minority as far as your campaign here.

You two more than anyone else here launch some pretty harsh attacks at people who are trying to learn and grow.
You have your own sense of morality and of what's decent and seem to push this on everyone here.
I get the feeling that if you could, you would take control and make a sweep through Wrong Planet to rid it of not only posts you deem offensive (despite how the majority here seem to handle them), but of the people who displease you.

If needed, I can go through several recent threads and copy you words verbatum to support my feelings here.

As I said above, there are many times when I have seen people support your ideas and ideals... just not all the time.
I have even done so myself.
When people disagree with your words or position, that in itself does not constitute a personal attack, and it certainly doesn't automatically mean the whole world is against you.

My feeling is that we should all be able to discuss the issues we feel the need to discuss as long as we do so in a legal manner, respecting each other, and respecting the wishes of the person who owns this website.
I advocate for openness instead of suppression.
What gbollard and pandora have been doing lately is calling for suppression... in my opinion.

A few well-chosen words in the google search over on the left will give them enough corruption to last a lifetime, so I don't see what the problem is.

Pandora, I didn't post anything but did send a PM to the site (Contact Us). So now someone other than yourself has requested it.

wsmac said:

Ouch...

Sorry if I'm giving the wrong messages here.

I wasn't attacking it. I was making a feeble attempt a humour - you'll notice that I posted numbers in there too. At least, I think I did, I've got a feeling I may have gotten carried away with the other stuff and forgotten... but that was the intention.

wsmac... you, more than anyone seem to take my posts too seriously... maybe I need to change my avatar to something that makes it clear that I never get terribly serious. Honestly - I'm sorry if I'm annoying you. I'm not trying to... so it must just be my natural aspieness grating.



Actually I have no sense of morality and am fairly degenerate (probably).... a bit... whatever.
I've participated in a number of threads which were less than pristine.

I'm not trying to push anything on anyone.




I certainly don't want WP cleaned up, it seems nice the way it is. I'm not terribly supportive of banning things (comments I made which sounded that way were intended to test the waters/public opinion - and we got our answer). I asked Pandora for an alternative solution and IMHO she made a very good comment about placement of the forums.

Since it seems a very simple thing to do...(I'm happy to be told that it's not) and since It wouldn't affect anyone else - wouldn't remove things just make you have to scroll a little further, I don't see what the big deal is.



I know you can... I can remember three places where I've clashed with you (and I don't know why)... I guess you just read me differently to how I wanted to be perceived.



Surprisingly, my feelings are pretty much the same so I'll work on curbing posts that seem to be about supression.... (my age does interfere sometimes)... wsmac... how about you work on trying to see us as more balanced rather than extremists...

Okay gbollard, I'll work on my attitude a bit

I'm not angry although I know my posts can seem that way... I always wish I had used more smilies on my serious posts.

In retrospect, perhaps I could have left names out.
I know there are other folks here who have spoken out about certain topics of discussion on WP.

I suppose lately you and Pandora are the most outspoken ones though, and that has caught my attention.

I certainly want to respect your right to speak your mind.

Sorry I am not catching your humor. Knowing this, I will try to do better and if I have doubts in the future I will pm you to check on it... or at least I will try to remember to

Always feel free to correct me if I misinterpret your writings... that goes for anyone here.

I have stated before and will reiterate now that the folks who post here as Aspies, Adders, family and friends, seem to be drawn here because it is a place they feel they can be understood.
I do not get the sense that the majority of folks are here to learn specifics of Asperger's Syndrome or ADD/HD or Autism.
There is certainly a good deal of medical information that is passed along here, but WP seems to be a 'safe' place for people to be in a crowd where they feel normal.
This is a place where they can then come and socialize, learn, as well as educate while among people they relate well with.

In this vein, we all get the opportunity to lead normal lives where we have friends to share our thoughts with, and not be afraid that how we say something, how we ask something will be used against us to show how 'freakish' we are.
Feeling freakish is something I have seen mentioned here when folks talk about trying to socialize in the 'NT' world.
We are characterized by the medical community as well as general society, as being people who say weird things, say inappropriate things using inappropriate language, and as lacking in good socializing skills with the so-called 'normal' people.

This is why I feel the posts here cover such a wide range of topics and use diverse language, while creating interesting discussions along the way.
I believe we do a disservice to this community when we worry excessively about what the 'other' people may think if some of them read the posts here.

Wrong Planet gives us all a secure place to be understood, and not turned away or ignored.
There are topics that members here are uncomfortable with, or just plain offended by, but every thread is contained in it's own little room, so-to-speak.
We can all make that personal choice to open the door to those rooms or walk on by.
It pains me to see some people calling for the sealing of these rooms because of what's inside them.
Once again, I will add this little disclaimer that certain topics should be kept out of WP... illegal acts that bring harm to others (child abuse as opposed to smoking medical marijuana), unwarranted attacks against people, etc.

I'm all for separating the kid's forums from the adults using greater physical spacing, but I have to say that it seems apparant that kids will explore any open forum they can find... here on Wrong Planet, or elsewhere.

I believe that even the adult topics presented here are mostly well argued/discussed and that any kid who wanders in on these discussions is apt to find much better information here than elsewhere.
Not necessarily from the original post, but from all the replies that follow.

Anyway, I'm on a roll and I should probably stop here.

Thanks for responding to my post gbollard.
I will read everything over again later in the day, just to make sure I don't miss something.
It's late now and this is typically a poor time for me to be writing... my brain needs the rest after work and all

wsmac,

I guess we're all aspies being aspies...

Our posts demonstrate a lot about the way aspies communicate in general. We always say less than we intend but use more words than we intend hence our messages are often misinterpreted.

It's something we all have to work on.

I appreciate your post, it's a sign that we can all work out our differences.

I still quite surprised that I'm considered outspoken and possibly prudish... since most of my friends would say I'm one of the worst in that regard. I must really be getting old.

You mean to say I've been waiting here... bucket and mop in hand... and there's not going to be any blood on the floor!

Geez! I really hate to disappoint anyone... I always try to make people happy, so this puts me in a quandry...hmmm, what to do, what to do...

OKay, well I wasn't making any cheap shot as you seem to think I was. I was expressing a genuine concern about impressionable children being misled. Now nobody has told me just how easy or difficult it would be to move the Kids' Crater.

I fully realise Alex is a busy person and would accept an explanation that said it would take hours or days to make the change. But instead, I get replies that insult my intelligence ie. "you have been heard", "it wasn't thought important".

I'm not the least bit interested in being "heard" but instead would like to be "listened to" There is a difference between the two terms and I'm surprised that Mr Mark didn't seem to think I would see the difference.

"It wasn't thought important" seems to suggest little thought was given at all and goes along with the comment "your concern was heard" (and no doubt quickly dismissed).

All this idiocy about "learning" and "growing" is but a smokescreen so please afford me credit for the intelligence to see through this smokescreen to the real issues underneath.

well, MrMark has a point, as it is about a change to make based on multiple requests, not just based on one single person or point of view, without taking his (the mods) own point view into account as well, as I think this is suppose to work.

About two minutes, all told.


That seemed to suffice. You were heard when you brought up the same subject in another thread. I supported you at that time. I've thought more about it, and can now think of a couple of reasons NOT to move the forum.


Do you imply that whatever you say should be acted upon?


Why do you feel that saying one thing means something else? I don't think we're that subtle.


If you'd care to explain what the "real issues" are, I'll listen. I really have lost the thread of what you are trying to say.

So far as the moving of the Crater goes, you have never given any indication of where it would be best put. I did think about that. I decided that I didn't know where else would be significantly better. I feel that moving it at all would confuse some people, to the extent that they might even start looking at the forums nearby, trying to see where it had gone - i.e. it would draw attention to the adult forum, the avoidance of which is what your whole argument was based on. Also, there is the whole inertia thing, and, as always, it would be a CHANGE, which will freak out some people, for no real reason.

I think if Alex were to be contemplating any change in the forums and their grouping, it would be best for him to accumulate several such changes, and do them all at once. Piecemeal moving of a single forum, for no pressing purpose, seems counter-productive.

If the Kids' Crater were moved, the kids might not find it. We don't want to make it more difficult for them--and I'm starting to question the whole idea of the Adult and Women's forum anyway, but that's up to Alex. I compare those forums to Depression support groups where all that happens is that negative attitudes are reinforced, which is why we dismantled them at the psychiatric center I worked at.

I'm going to think some more on this. I keep thinking we need more for the kids. They are the ones who are getting the diagnoses, especially with the new pediatrics guidelines, and we'll have lots more of them. Maybe I'll make suggestions if I come up with anything reasonable.

R.

Ok.. It seems like we have two problems...

1. Where could we move the kid's crater
2. Should we move the kid's crater.

With that in mind, I've started a topic.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1111944.html#1111944

When you say something like this that is unsubstantiated...


Then yes, I do see it as a cheap shot.
No where did he say it's okay for kids to be corrupted, you just made that up.

You keep on about how children will be corrupted by posts here, how Alex will suffer legal liability from posts here.... typical unsubstantiated hystyeria.
You do not seem to understand that comments such as you make often here come off as emotional expression instead of reasonable, factual expression. You seem to wonder why people do not march along with your comments when it's definitely clear to me that you make these things up and never check on the accuracy of your statements.



'Idiocy' seems a strong statement does it not?
I do afford you 'credit' for your intelligence. This is why I do not go off spouting emotion-based comments without acknowledging that they are only my opinion and not fact.

The terms, "learning" and "growing" are not a smokescreen.
They are descriptive terms I use to indicate a person moving along a continuum of improving intelligence and maturity.
..."Growing intelligently", "Growing more mature".

I am just as concerned with our young members and guests here as you are Pandora.
I believe every adult here is just as concerned as we are.
The fact is, we do not see eye-to-eye on this issue.
You possess no more truth than I do about this, we have our opinions and whatever facts we can bring here to support our opinions.
My rebuttals here are only directed at your comments/actions... not you as a person.
I do not know you and I have no reason to call you names or conspire against you.
I do hope you understand that.





Hey Lau... still got that mop & bucket handy?

Lau, you never PM'd me to discuss this issue so I don't know how you can say you discussed it with me. Not once has Alex or you or ANY of the other moderators apart from Gwenyvn in recent times PM'd me to ask what I was really concerned about. Whatever happened to consultation and inclusion?

The real issue I have is about women being spoken of in derogatory and sexist terms in the adult forum and of illegal acts such as taking hard drugs and soliciting prostitutes being touted as positive things. These are hardly positive ideas for young children to get hold of and there is a real risk of this happening at present.

Wsmack - I'm not making ANYTHING up but if anybody is making things up, it is you.
This site had a near miss with a case a couple of years ago when a young man who was a member tragically murdered two neighbours and then suicided, so legal liability is a valid concern.

I'm not just making this up to cause trouble. I also note that the moderators of another Aspie site I also visit take very careful precautions about anything that could make them legally liable for the actions of their contributors. It is no joke being taken to court and even if found innocent, you can easily still have to find thousands of dollars for legal costs.

If you just hope that I will submit to all your bullying and just go away, you have another thing to think about. I cannot be convinced that your arguments are not personal. I don't even know if you're really Aspie.

This is then an issue for the parents to deal with... not you.


What I was saying you were making up was your suggestion that MrMark thinks it's okay for kids to be corrupted.
I have quoted what you wrote verbatum now twice.. I believe. You wrote it, you made it up. MrMark never posted anything here about him thinking it is okay for kids to be corrupted... do you understand now?
I'm trying to explain this so my feelings are clear... you made something up and attributed it to another member here... that's all.
I am not aware of the case you mention above. I still believe it is farfetched that Alex would be sued because a parent allowed their child to access this website and the child saw where an adult male posted about visiting a prostitute.
Again... this is NOT illegal all over the U.S.

Your continued assertions that children will be corrupted by reading the posts here on WP appear to be based on emotion and not fact. That's all I am saying. When you write in the manner of stating something as absolute or factual and yet you cannot back it up with evidence, I would say that you are indeed making things up.
I am only referring to your posts.



I have never said you were causing trouble. I disagree with your push to disallow adult conversations that the majority of active posters here seem okay to allow. I am referring to your actions here.
What other people do on other websites does not necessarily set the example for all website everywhere, but thank you for the information.
I also understand the legal system here in the U.S. quite well, thank you.




Here you go again Pandora... you are taking on the role of the victim when I have not attacked you personally at all.
I disagree with your comments and ideas.
I have repeatedly said so.

You are just one of those people who seem intent on taking everything personally and I'm sorry to see that.
I am not bullying you at all. I am not calling for you to leave WrongPlanet.
I respond to your posts.
Sorry if you can't take my replies as anything other than personal attacks... they are not.
You seem intent on taking most everyone's replies to your posts as personal attacks.
No one can help you with that... you have to deal with it on your own.

As for your last line...


Quite the diversion tactic huh?
I could say the same about you. What would that mean? Nothing.

I have never claimed to be an Aspie. I repeatedly let it be known that I am formally diagnosed with ADD/HD... that's it.
Since Alex has included ADD/HD as one of the things supported here, I have felt very much at home.
You don't have to believe I even have two diagnosis of ADD/HD either... won't hurt my feelings any.

We're just two typists on the internet Pandora.
There's no reason for personal attacks or getting overly emotional about what someone else says... at least that's my philosophy about it. I do take a stand on issues I feel strongly about, but not to the point of getting all hot-and-bothered about things.

If I do get too carried away and type something I later see is inappropriate, I come back and apologize.
So far, I do not see where I have done anything of this nature towards you.

I am not mad at you, not angry with you... I do not dislike you at all... because I don't even know you.

I am only responding to the words you type here... that's it.
Take care.