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17 Aug 2020, 7:30 pm

^ I have often seen questions by members who clearly have communication issues. These questions are met sometimes by members who are irked by this style possibly due to the amount of trolls who have done this in the past. There always appears to be an element of distrust with new members who appear low functioning ( I'm guilty of it my self :oops: ) .


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17 Aug 2020, 7:31 pm

I’ve been guilty of that myself. Yes.

If I did that, it was a mistake.

This is one reason why I find that the written medium can lead to misunderstandings.

If I did that, I would like to be informed of it.



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17 Aug 2020, 7:34 pm

If I ever thought someone was a troll or sockpuppet my only reply would be :spiderman:


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17 Aug 2020, 7:34 pm

The future of WP would be better if we had a full-time troll hunter. Someone who was very good with computers who could ferret out disingenuous people, to improve site security.

That would reduce our anxiety about new members, and improve the forum morale considerably.


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17 Aug 2020, 7:37 pm

I guess the message is : don’t feed the trolls.

What does that emoticon mean?



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17 Aug 2020, 7:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I guess the message is : don’t feed the trolls.

What does that emoticon mean?


It's Spider Man.


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17 Aug 2020, 7:40 pm

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Looking at it this way, the former group appear to be looking at site improvement being based on people doing as they are told via the rules (with moderators there to force this) even if this keeps the site population at the same (or lesser) numbers to now, while the latter seeem to see improvement coming from increasing the number of members (with their individual views and approaches) and trying to asist new members to alter their behaviour through interatction with them rather than calling in the authorities.


I'm sincerely curious why you think the population won't grow if Alex's rules are followed and enforced by personal accountability and / or mod support when and if needed? I think people who come to a new site feel protected when they know what the standards are, and if they see consistency in the application of those rules. Most new members have lurked and they have an idea what the tone is before joining. I think it would be rather intimidating for potential members to peruse the site right now, and see people writing over 800 posts to say there isn't enough consistency. That in itself is a red flag that there are problems with the leadership and efficacy of Wrong Planet. We could be losing potential members we have never even met.

Other autism sites are clear about their rules across all fora, and this reduces anxiety for new members. They know what to expect. Of course we all make mistakes now and then, and may hurt each other's feelings or break a rule unintentionally, but I would hope that everyone is willing to apologise, respect one another, and create a more harmonious environment.


It's not the "enforcement" of the rules, but rather the method of enforcement.

How would a new member feel if (for example) they posted a question in a forum, then (whether by accident, because they need to do this as it is how they process information\other reasons) they post a follow-up question as a spearate thread, and they find they have been "reported" for doing so?

Contrast this with a similar situation where the member(s), instead of "reporting" this, explain to the new member what they had done wrong and tried to assist them to correct this behaviour (as well as getting to know them)?

Which of these would give a more "welcoming" feeling to the new member, and which is likely to make a new member feel "unwanted" or "unsupported" and so less likely to return?


Absolutely. I agree. I wasn't challenging or critiquing your post, but rather wondering if there could be a middle ground. We can follow the standards of collegial kindness whether we are new members or seasoned veterans, and this will in turn increase the membership. Of course the example you provided would be terrible for a new member. I was very upset when I saw that particular person called out, reported publicly, and told they were asking "stupid questions". That new member didn't break any rules and even if they did, it was handled very poorly. If I were that member I would have left as well.

Let me say again, I agree with you and always value your point of view. I just wanted to clarify whether you thought the two groups described in your post were mutually exclusive. I believe (and I'm sure you believe) they can work together.


Not a problem...Seeing the question you brought up just prompted me to clarify what I was meaning so that anyone else reading the thread could get a better understanding of what I was trying to say (And words can be interpreted differently by people for a number of reasons), so clarification was considered to be in order.

I'd rather be prompted for clarification than leave someone confused or misunderstanding what I had said.

As the the 2 groups, they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, more that there are extemes who will jump on a rule infringement (or ignore rule infringements even for a member who has been on the site for years).

Whilst the rules are "clear", their are still areas where people may not agree...For example "* Please don't post duplicate threads." - Is a "duplicate thread" only where the same question is asked, or also where a "related but different" (maybe clarification on the answer to a previous thread) thread is created (which may have been created to assist the member posting differentiate answers)?

IE: "which team should I follow" (with multiple answers) followed by "I'm thinking about following team XYZ: could I have some more information about them?" Whilst both could conceivably fit into a single thread, the later has obviously been created to seek clarity on a related, yet different line of questioning to the former, so as to avoid both confusion caused by answers to a question no longer needing a reponce as well as to ensure this more "pressing" question is noticed and answered rather than being lost and so not receiving the answer the questioner needs.



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17 Aug 2020, 7:59 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
The future of WP would be better if we had a full-time troll hunter. Someone who was very good with computers who could ferret out disingenuous people, to improve site security.

That would reduce our anxiety about new members, and improve the forum morale considerably.


You would need a mod will full privileges ( I hope Alex has fixed that issue ) , an obsessive nature and keen spider senses imo


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17 Aug 2020, 8:40 pm

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I don’t, offhand....but I have seen this occur.

If anybody actually knows me, they would know that I don’t actually find many questions to be worthy of being criticized. I answer all sorts of questions without raising an eyebrow.

If I did make that sort of observation by mistake, I apologize for it. I had no intention to be demeaning.

I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE DEMEANED. It’s the story of my life. But I want to transcend that, and move on to better things.



Yaaay for Transcendance .


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18 Aug 2020, 12:08 am

We used to have a member here who would tell every newbie their post is a suspect. I used to think he was taking a dig at aspies but it turns out he thinks that of all new members.

Only time I thought we got a bunch of sockpupppets here was back in 2010 after an incident and some former moderator here went mad and all these weird accounts joined here and sadly I thought auntblabby was a sockpuppet and someone else and I thought they were all that user's sockpuppets. The names were too weird. But it was just a big coincidence that at the same time all these accounts joined here with unusual usernames. But I remember me and other users were reporting these accounts.


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18 Aug 2020, 12:12 am

Oh_no_its_Ferris wrote:
^ I have often seen questions by members who clearly have communication issues. These questions are met sometimes by members who are irked by this style possibly due to the amount of trolls who have done this in the past. There always appears to be an element of distrust with new members who appear low functioning ( I'm guilty of it my self :oops: ) .


I put new posters on probation, in my mind, but try not to be obvious about it.
Yes, so many trolls out there. <sigh>



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18 Aug 2020, 12:15 am

Fnord wrote:
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I won't stand in the way of anyone who tries to help, but just don't expect me to try to help, ever again.
There's a world of difference between not helping someone and being downright unwelcoming. A new member recently joined us (Richard and some numbers). He started two threads quite similar in nature to each other (heaven forbid, right?). What did you do? You reported him to the mods! How very welcoming of you...

I think we need a new rule and it should be at the top of the list: don't be a d*ck.
There's nothing wrong with asking mods to merge identical threads,that should be done,all identical threads should be merged with the oldest given as credit for OP.In this case same OP,I do though suspect that responses to said threads were less kind,to that I agree Steve.
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18 Aug 2020, 12:25 am

Personal attacks on anyone not left shouldn’t be allowed or praised.


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18 Aug 2020, 12:38 am

sly279 wrote:
Personal attacks on anyone not left shouldn’t be allowed or praised.


Well, personal attacks on anyone, regardless of leaning, shouldn't be allowed, but I do get your point that there is a subsection of the community here who seem to be quite enthusisatic in their disparagement of those who are not of the left, and seem to band together against them.



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18 Aug 2020, 12:57 am

Brictoria wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Personal attacks on anyone not left shouldn’t be allowed or praised.


Well, personal attacks on anyone, regardless of leaning, shouldn't be allowed, but I do get your point that there is a subsection of the community here who seem to be quite enthusisatic in their disparagement of those who are not of the left, and seem to band together against them.


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18 Aug 2020, 2:37 am

sly279 wrote:
Personal attacks on anyone not left shouldn’t be allowed or praised.

Personal attacks on anyone should not be allowed or praised.
I'm hoping for expansion of the mod team - more mods means someone can react faster.
"Calling up for <something>" should never be allowed to take a form of a personal attack.


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