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I forgot another option - moderators are gits

^ insulting moderators is usually a good way to get them to see this thread

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

Believe what you wanna believe dude,you know the truth and you know your wrong

Sometimes facts as they appear can feel quite brusk in their appearances .

My turn:

I'd like advice on what to do after this step. I reported several instances of personal attacks and insults against other members across the forum but most notably in The Haven. I reported all of these incidents to the mod team by PM and also using the "report" button. With each report I included a clear quote of the offence as well as a copy of the rule which had been broken, and the harm that had been done to certain members' reputations / mental health.

I was thanked for the PM but have yet to see the posts edited or removed. As far as I know, the people who wrote the posts did not issue apologies. Regarding the "report button" submissions which took me over an hour to prepare and document, all I received were emails to confirm the cases were closed. No follow up. Again, I can still read the offensive posts which have not been edited or removed. I do not see apologies. I did not receive any personal communication from the mod who closed those reports, although it's been a few weeks.

My next step would be to report the problems a third time, using the Mod Attention thread and / or messaging Alex directly.
I haven't done this because I don't want to draw additional attention to the posts via the Mod Attention thread, which is public. I would use that as a last resort as I prefer to keep issues private.

What should a member do when they see obvious rule breaks, they have followed your advice, sent PM to mods, and used the report button, all with documentary evidence, and yet the issues are not resolved?

I can only guess at why this happened.

1. The case was closed in error.
2. The case was closed but action was not taken due to being sidetracked.
3. The case was closed and no action was taken as the moderator who dealt with the case saw no personal attack.

4. Case was closed cause while personal attack the mod shares same political bias as the rule breaker
5. Mod sees it as personal attack but leaves it up and does nothing(see above reason). This is like stopping a bank robber but letting them keep the moneys aNd go free.

And there's me thinking you didn't understand the rules

And there's me thinking you didn't understand the rules

Well you admitted in your post you were insulting the mods to get their attention.

Insinuation is sometimes not easily identified in a post and well disguised, it's a tricky and problematic area. Sometimes it's more offensive than being directly attacked and slips through the net. More diligence needs to be implemented in sifting out the indirect and less obvious breaking of the rules by insinuation and circumventing the rules somehow. I think that the tone of the post should be monitored, if it is mocking, aggressive, dismissive or repeatedly targeting the same person, especially if the target is known to be vulnerable.

Insinuation is sometimes not easily identified in a post and well disguised, it's a tricky and problematic area. Sometimes it's more offensive than being directly attacked and slips through the net. More diligence needs to be implemented in sifting out the indirect and less obvious breaking of the rules by insinuation and circumventing the rules somehow. I think that the tone of the post should be monitored, if it is mocking, aggressive, dismissive or repeatedly targeting the same person, especially if the target is known to be vulnerable.

PLease tell me this fox is supposed to be clapping. Because the more I look, the less it looks like it...

Maybe not everyone picks up on the insinuation if it's very subtle. Yes, I am aware that this is an endemic problem. What if a mod can't match a rule or action to deal with the offense in such a case? Is this the problem?